04-17-2006, 04:06 AM
GriffonSpade,Apr 16 2006, 02:06 AM Wrote:Executions are insanely expensive because of inefficiency.
No, executions are insanely expensive because of the appeals process. Whether it is "inefficient" or not is merely a value judgement. How many fewer appeals would you suggest? Where do you draw the line? How many people of the 123 exonerated on death row since 1973 would have been murdered by cutting down on the number of appeals?
Quote:The cycle of bloodshed and murder ends when people start respecting or at least being courteous to others, everyone has everything they could ever want, and when everyone more or less agrees on everything, or when we lose our free will, or WHEN WE ARE ALL DEAD.[right][snapback]107345[/snapback][/right]
Umm, okay? It is fully within our power to stop, all we have to do is say "we're done executing other human beings". Will there still be murder and crime? Of course. But we can divert money into more worthy causes and we will no longer to complicit in the killing. The primary reason for crime is due to poverty and uneducation. Putting the money we would have used to execute people into education and poverty-assistance programs would help to curb crime. Thus, there's less people in correctional facilities and who would have been on death row. Then there's more money for education and poverty-assistance programs... etc. Let's break the cycle of killing and start a better cycle up.
I fail to see how murdering other human beings helps people be more courteous and agree wth each other more. The. Death. Penalty. Does. Not. Deter. Crime.
Doc,Apr 16 2006, 02:58 PM Wrote:Ok. Read this and then tell me... Do you honestly believe that a man like this can be rehabilitated and returned to society? Or perhaps, perhaps he should have a very long comfortable life in prison, [...]
Honestly, what is the point of keeping this man alive?
What's the point of keeping him alive? Possibility of rehabilitation and less cost for the state.
I'll turn the question around... what's the point of killing him? Killing him does not bring the little girl back. How does it hurt you in any way that he have a long life in prison? He has been removed from society and is no longer a threat (hopefully considering he gets life without parole). Do I believe that these correctional facilities should have video games, rec rooms, etc.? Probably not, but the environment cannot also be so harsh as to completely destroy any possibility of rehabilitation. Where's the line drawn? I'm not sure.
I do however feel that correctional facilities should be giving inmates the skills and education that they need to return to society and make a contribution. Some individuals - i.e. Kevin Underwood - have performed acts so heinous that they certainly deserve life without the possibility of parole. Contributions to society can still be made form behind bars however (see: Tookie).
Quote:There is no point in a life time of punishment for this man, as he will never be rehabilitated, nor will he see the error of his ways and get better. His mind is diseased, and there is no cure but to humanely terminate his living status.
You cannot possibly make this statement. Is it 1,000 to 1 that he'll be rehabilitated? Yep. Maybe worse. But killing him just sucks money that could be used to help other people and maybe prevent more crime in the future. And in the off chance that he's rehabilitated, he will have to opportunity to add to society once again (from behind bars of course).
--Mith
I would rather be ashes than dust! I would rather that my spark should burn out in a brilliant blaze than it should be stifled by dry rot. I would rather be a superb meteor, every atom of me in magnificent glow, than a sleepy and permanent planet. The proper function of man is to live, not to exist. I shall not waste my days in trying to prolong them. I shall use my time.
Jack London
I would rather be ashes than dust! I would rather that my spark should burn out in a brilliant blaze than it should be stifled by dry rot. I would rather be a superb meteor, every atom of me in magnificent glow, than a sleepy and permanent planet. The proper function of man is to live, not to exist. I shall not waste my days in trying to prolong them. I shall use my time.
Jack London