I echo Vor_Lord's hopes that this doesn't blow up into some serious guild drama, but I must chime in here. I have some very blunt remarks:
First off...let me say that Vor_lord is my brother in real life, and my younger brother (yes, I'm turning into an old man rapidly :P ) so I naturally will defend him. However, Vor_Lord has done an awful lot of organizing of runs, and seeing as I am in contact with him on a daily basis while at work, I know he worries alot about being fair, including everyone, etc. But all I ever see, is people complain about how he organizes things, and he rarely gets much help. SirDie is a very skilled and knowledgeable player, and brings alot of positives to any run he goes on, but he has also openly admited to being unwilling to go on a run unless he stands to benefit loot-wise/quest-wise. That's fine, no problems there, as he's always been open and honest about it. Again, I don't have a problem with that because he's always openly admitted it. But a side-effect of that, is it means we can't expect him to come on a run for no reason other than to help us out. I repeat again...that's fine, because he's never made any secret of that fact, so no worries. But a side-effect of this, is if he's not willing to help out for the sake of helping out, then he can't expect us to make a spot for him in a run where all 5 of the people already going stand to gain as much as he does. Does that make sense? I hope so. This is not a knock on SirDie in any way. Like I have tried to emphasize three times so far, and this my fourth - he's always openly admitted such, which I respect and like. We can always understand where he comes from, and that's great.
Vor_Lord especially is always volunteering to sit out to make a spot available for someone else, and I think Vor_Lord has the LEAST amount of time available to play of anyone due to Real Life responsibilities. I would think people would be a little bit aware of such things. It irritates me to no end to see people complain about how he organizes things, when he's the only one doing it. So I say to you complainers....put up or shut up. If you think you can do a better job than Vor-Lord can, then do it. He'd be tickled pink to be relieved of the pressue. But so far, no one else has stepped up to help him out, and I would think folks should be grateful he just doesn't go with the real life connection each week for any 5 man content. But he has never done so, he has always tried to be fair, to the very best he can. I may be his brother and biased, but I take extreme exception to anyone whining about how he puts things together, simply because he IS the only one who consistently tries to plan things in advance. And then, on top of all that...when people do complain, such as in this thread, Vor_Lord is the one volunteering to sit out to smooth things over. Well, maybe I'm enough of a confrontational person that I don't mind making a big stink, but to make Vor_Lord sit out just because people aren't happy with his choice of groups is totally unfair to him. It goes back again to the issue that if you don't like how he handles things, then help him out, don't just complain.
If this gets me de-guilded so be it. I hope not, as I enjoy the company and grouping with everyone in the guild. But I cannot any longer remain silent and watch the effect of the constant worry and work that Vor_Lord puts into the Friday night runs, to have him get just complaints from people. I will fight to the bitter end to protect my brother, and while he may not say so, I know this whole thing is a heavy thing on his shoulders, and he would rather it not be that way. If people can't see for themselves that he really does try to make things as fair for everyone as he possibly can, then you're not looking hard enough.
By the way, I didn't ask Vor_Lord if I should post this. He'd probably tell me not to, that it's not worth the anger it will cause, and he's probably right. But for any of you to complain to him about how he organizes the Friday night runs is out of line, and I won't tolerate it anymore in silence. And frankly, since he's the only one who actually tries to organize it, he of all people is the one who actually HAS the right to "summarily dismiss" someone. But he did not do that to SirDie or anyone else, not this time, or any other time. Besides....on a more game-specific note.....these 45 minute baron runs will take learning and multiple efforts, so it's certainly not going to be difficult to get a good group together to include SirDie and all the rest of you.
Ok, Boss Lady...do I need to go guild hunting now? :whistling:
First off...let me say that Vor_lord is my brother in real life, and my younger brother (yes, I'm turning into an old man rapidly :P ) so I naturally will defend him. However, Vor_Lord has done an awful lot of organizing of runs, and seeing as I am in contact with him on a daily basis while at work, I know he worries alot about being fair, including everyone, etc. But all I ever see, is people complain about how he organizes things, and he rarely gets much help. SirDie is a very skilled and knowledgeable player, and brings alot of positives to any run he goes on, but he has also openly admited to being unwilling to go on a run unless he stands to benefit loot-wise/quest-wise. That's fine, no problems there, as he's always been open and honest about it. Again, I don't have a problem with that because he's always openly admitted it. But a side-effect of that, is it means we can't expect him to come on a run for no reason other than to help us out. I repeat again...that's fine, because he's never made any secret of that fact, so no worries. But a side-effect of this, is if he's not willing to help out for the sake of helping out, then he can't expect us to make a spot for him in a run where all 5 of the people already going stand to gain as much as he does. Does that make sense? I hope so. This is not a knock on SirDie in any way. Like I have tried to emphasize three times so far, and this my fourth - he's always openly admitted such, which I respect and like. We can always understand where he comes from, and that's great.
Vor_Lord especially is always volunteering to sit out to make a spot available for someone else, and I think Vor_Lord has the LEAST amount of time available to play of anyone due to Real Life responsibilities. I would think people would be a little bit aware of such things. It irritates me to no end to see people complain about how he organizes things, when he's the only one doing it. So I say to you complainers....put up or shut up. If you think you can do a better job than Vor-Lord can, then do it. He'd be tickled pink to be relieved of the pressue. But so far, no one else has stepped up to help him out, and I would think folks should be grateful he just doesn't go with the real life connection each week for any 5 man content. But he has never done so, he has always tried to be fair, to the very best he can. I may be his brother and biased, but I take extreme exception to anyone whining about how he puts things together, simply because he IS the only one who consistently tries to plan things in advance. And then, on top of all that...when people do complain, such as in this thread, Vor_Lord is the one volunteering to sit out to smooth things over. Well, maybe I'm enough of a confrontational person that I don't mind making a big stink, but to make Vor_Lord sit out just because people aren't happy with his choice of groups is totally unfair to him. It goes back again to the issue that if you don't like how he handles things, then help him out, don't just complain.
If this gets me de-guilded so be it. I hope not, as I enjoy the company and grouping with everyone in the guild. But I cannot any longer remain silent and watch the effect of the constant worry and work that Vor_Lord puts into the Friday night runs, to have him get just complaints from people. I will fight to the bitter end to protect my brother, and while he may not say so, I know this whole thing is a heavy thing on his shoulders, and he would rather it not be that way. If people can't see for themselves that he really does try to make things as fair for everyone as he possibly can, then you're not looking hard enough.
By the way, I didn't ask Vor_Lord if I should post this. He'd probably tell me not to, that it's not worth the anger it will cause, and he's probably right. But for any of you to complain to him about how he organizes the Friday night runs is out of line, and I won't tolerate it anymore in silence. And frankly, since he's the only one who actually tries to organize it, he of all people is the one who actually HAS the right to "summarily dismiss" someone. But he did not do that to SirDie or anyone else, not this time, or any other time. Besides....on a more game-specific note.....these 45 minute baron runs will take learning and multiple efforts, so it's certainly not going to be difficult to get a good group together to include SirDie and all the rest of you.
Ok, Boss Lady...do I need to go guild hunting now? :whistling:
VoiceMan
Terenas:
Bloodmourne - 85 Blood Elf Death Knight <Lurkers>
Vreeslik - 85 Undead Warlock <Lurkers>
Fazuul - 70 Tauren Druid <Lurkers>
Ooh - 70 Troll Rogue <Lurkers>
Gorkuk- 63 Orc Hunter <Lurkers>
Rojaal - 70 Blood Elf Paladin <Lurkers>
Terenas:
Bloodmourne - 85 Blood Elf Death Knight <Lurkers>
Vreeslik - 85 Undead Warlock <Lurkers>
Fazuul - 70 Tauren Druid <Lurkers>
Ooh - 70 Troll Rogue <Lurkers>
Gorkuk- 63 Orc Hunter <Lurkers>
Rojaal - 70 Blood Elf Paladin <Lurkers>