04-12-2006, 01:06 PM
As I am reaching level 60, I have recently come in contact with reputation a few times. At first, it was mostly a way to get a deiscount from your own faction and after a while, those Booty Bay and company turned green from yellow. I never really have bothered with geting rides from another race so I never bothered figuring out how hard it would be. However, recently I have bumped into the reputation issue a few times.
First, I wanted to get friendlier with those Timbermaw people to turn in some items that started a quest. No problem I though. I had initiallo, at much lower level reached Winterspring by simply running through the tunnels only dieing two times or something, so I though I should get going with turning them unhostile. Wasn't so bad, especially since I did a few quests at the same time. They turned "orange" soon enough and I was told for them to speak to me (and presumably me to turn in the quests) they had to be yellow (sorry don't recall the axact name, I think it is called Neutral). Sigh I though, I need to go kill a few more.
To my shock, when calcualting it more preciely, I needed to kill many hundrads of those monsters since I only get 5 rep point each (a boss gives 15 I think) and I need to gather a whopping 3000 more reputation points. That is 600 monsters, talk about insane grind and stupidy I though. Well, there is those turn in quests someone said, sure enough, I can turn in 5 feathers for 50 reputation but considering I get a feather every 4 kill or so, I would say that cut the number of monsters down to, say 400.
OK, Blizzard like for people to get mad, frustrated and spend hours to get a better reputation, I'll do it in chunks, a bit every now and then, after all, that is two quests (and hopefully nice fun and entertaining quest lines) for me waiting. After a sneak peak at Allakhazam about the qusts, it turns out they are no quest lines at all and basically just turn in for a few more reputation points! Gee, so I should grind for hours, just to get a few more points!!! So what is the point?
Appearantly one can, with increasing reputation get some unqiue recipies. Are they good? A lot of them? Fantastic? I mean, for all the hard work ammounting to what is TONS of quests normally, one would expect something ordinary? Nope, one or two recipies depenidng on your profession it seems, none of which are that impressive. AND, you won't get them at neutral reputation, you need to go higher and now we are not talking hundrads of monsters, we are talking in the thousands if not more. Gee.
So I try to learn a bit more about reputation, only to find out that you can't reach the higher levels at all just killing monsters, at a certain level you stop getting reputation for monsters and presumably need to resort to the turn in quests only, so the number of monsters needed to kill multiplies even more!!! What is worse, there is really no way to tell PLUS, if you really wan't to do it properly, you need to do it in a cheesy way, you obviously should not make ANY turn ins at all until later when you get no more reputation from the killing. Who at Blizzard had a horrible day at home and figured out a system that punishes people that try to do quests and turn ins as they play only to find out they were cheated out of reputation and hard work? And this all on a system to tstart with that is just an silly time sink to give no real benefits?
Sincerly, who can clim it is even remotedly fiting with the rest of the game and system and that the rewards are in comparison to other game play? So what is the purpose? To give those few fanatics that will go through the time some reward that could be labeled "I wasted a few weeks of my life killing monsters to get a recipie from the Timbermaw Clan that I will probably never use anyway"? Or have I missed the goodies and super rewards? Sure, one can claim that if if was easier, everyone would get there, but then, that is not how the rest of the game works. Of ocurse, they could multiply the reputation needed by a million and sure enough some people would spend the time getting there no matter how long it takes, but still, there must be something missing I have not seen.
I have now also come across a new such "case", the Argent Dawn. Seems they have more quests and slightly easier to get reputation, but I am now doing the Cauldron quests in the Plagulands, and supposedly, the same apply here, I need to do the Cauldron quests till I puke to get a bit better reputation (and I not only need the item they drop, I need to supply runecloth as well, and quite a lot in the end) and presumably again, I get some extra recipies (not checked, I am a tailor and enchanter by the way, had I had gathering skills, I would kill someone at Blizzrd when I figured out recpies is the reward appearantly). Perhaps there are some nice normal item to buy as well, I have not checked.
The last example I have found recently is that for the herb bag recpies, you seem to be needing to do something similar in Silithus for the Cenarion Circle. Adding it all up, seems one can spend a whole year grinding to good reputation for a few recipies and if you want so, a mount from another race. Agian, what am I missing?
Supposedly geting a bit reputation for a water elemental in Azshara should actually give you a few nice quests to do, but I need to check that up for sure first.
Now, can anyone with more insight tell me that what I wrote above is rubish and all lies and that it is not that bad? Should I keep my scourge stones by the way or just turn them in right now and as I get them or keep them for a year when I might no longer get rep for killing undead? Any advice?
First, I wanted to get friendlier with those Timbermaw people to turn in some items that started a quest. No problem I though. I had initiallo, at much lower level reached Winterspring by simply running through the tunnels only dieing two times or something, so I though I should get going with turning them unhostile. Wasn't so bad, especially since I did a few quests at the same time. They turned "orange" soon enough and I was told for them to speak to me (and presumably me to turn in the quests) they had to be yellow (sorry don't recall the axact name, I think it is called Neutral). Sigh I though, I need to go kill a few more.
To my shock, when calcualting it more preciely, I needed to kill many hundrads of those monsters since I only get 5 rep point each (a boss gives 15 I think) and I need to gather a whopping 3000 more reputation points. That is 600 monsters, talk about insane grind and stupidy I though. Well, there is those turn in quests someone said, sure enough, I can turn in 5 feathers for 50 reputation but considering I get a feather every 4 kill or so, I would say that cut the number of monsters down to, say 400.
OK, Blizzard like for people to get mad, frustrated and spend hours to get a better reputation, I'll do it in chunks, a bit every now and then, after all, that is two quests (and hopefully nice fun and entertaining quest lines) for me waiting. After a sneak peak at Allakhazam about the qusts, it turns out they are no quest lines at all and basically just turn in for a few more reputation points! Gee, so I should grind for hours, just to get a few more points!!! So what is the point?
Appearantly one can, with increasing reputation get some unqiue recipies. Are they good? A lot of them? Fantastic? I mean, for all the hard work ammounting to what is TONS of quests normally, one would expect something ordinary? Nope, one or two recipies depenidng on your profession it seems, none of which are that impressive. AND, you won't get them at neutral reputation, you need to go higher and now we are not talking hundrads of monsters, we are talking in the thousands if not more. Gee.
So I try to learn a bit more about reputation, only to find out that you can't reach the higher levels at all just killing monsters, at a certain level you stop getting reputation for monsters and presumably need to resort to the turn in quests only, so the number of monsters needed to kill multiplies even more!!! What is worse, there is really no way to tell PLUS, if you really wan't to do it properly, you need to do it in a cheesy way, you obviously should not make ANY turn ins at all until later when you get no more reputation from the killing. Who at Blizzard had a horrible day at home and figured out a system that punishes people that try to do quests and turn ins as they play only to find out they were cheated out of reputation and hard work? And this all on a system to tstart with that is just an silly time sink to give no real benefits?
Sincerly, who can clim it is even remotedly fiting with the rest of the game and system and that the rewards are in comparison to other game play? So what is the purpose? To give those few fanatics that will go through the time some reward that could be labeled "I wasted a few weeks of my life killing monsters to get a recipie from the Timbermaw Clan that I will probably never use anyway"? Or have I missed the goodies and super rewards? Sure, one can claim that if if was easier, everyone would get there, but then, that is not how the rest of the game works. Of ocurse, they could multiply the reputation needed by a million and sure enough some people would spend the time getting there no matter how long it takes, but still, there must be something missing I have not seen.
I have now also come across a new such "case", the Argent Dawn. Seems they have more quests and slightly easier to get reputation, but I am now doing the Cauldron quests in the Plagulands, and supposedly, the same apply here, I need to do the Cauldron quests till I puke to get a bit better reputation (and I not only need the item they drop, I need to supply runecloth as well, and quite a lot in the end) and presumably again, I get some extra recipies (not checked, I am a tailor and enchanter by the way, had I had gathering skills, I would kill someone at Blizzrd when I figured out recpies is the reward appearantly). Perhaps there are some nice normal item to buy as well, I have not checked.
The last example I have found recently is that for the herb bag recpies, you seem to be needing to do something similar in Silithus for the Cenarion Circle. Adding it all up, seems one can spend a whole year grinding to good reputation for a few recipies and if you want so, a mount from another race. Agian, what am I missing?
Supposedly geting a bit reputation for a water elemental in Azshara should actually give you a few nice quests to do, but I need to check that up for sure first.
Now, can anyone with more insight tell me that what I wrote above is rubish and all lies and that it is not that bad? Should I keep my scourge stones by the way or just turn them in right now and as I get them or keep them for a year when I might no longer get rep for killing undead? Any advice?
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