Terenas - Friday 08/19

[bonemage]

Last Friday's RFD runs were quite successful, and we'll be making at least one more RFD run this Friday. If we have enough, we'll do two groups again if desired. Other than that, the rest of the evening is open. So, who will be there, and what does everyone need? I will be there with Durambar, eager to flex my new protection talents.

Other things we can do on Friday:

SM Cathedral: Still some caster drops (cap and amulet), and Mograine's Might would be a good shaman weapon.

Uldaman (partially): Most of us are not of high enough level to finish Uldaman, but we will probably work on quest prep work for Uldaman, and there is a good possibility that we will go at least to the enchanter trainer, as there are two enchanters that need that, if I'm not mistaken. (Dunar and Mogo)

Sound off on who will be there and what you need/want.

For the Horde!!

Edit: Starting time is the usual, 8:30-9:00 PM Server time (US Mountain)

Edit2:
(Pasted from one of my root replies)
Here's the plan:

Looks like SM Cathedral is top priority for quest completion for Mogo and Marn and the loot drops. We could do back to back runs of the Cathedral.

RFD is next priority as we have some that have yet to see this instance, and still some desired loot for some that have.

Uldaman prep work, trip to enchanter, possible zerging of boss are possibilties, and a group might form for this if the second run of Cath and RFD are not desired. Depending on everyone's bed time, this could also be done late.

SM Library is wanted by several, but that instance can easily be run by a group of 3, and will likely be squeezed in at another time. This instance doesn't need the attention of a full party, which is the main reason it's at the bottom. It's possible a small library group will go while SM Cath is run, but since those desiring the Library are also those with Cath drop wants, a choice will have to be made.

Sound ok?

Plan on Uldaman for Friday the 26th, regardless of how far we go into it this week!

[VoiceMan]

Last Friday's RFD runs were quite successful, and we'll be making at least one more RFD run this Friday.  If we have enough, we'll do two groups again if desired.  Other than that, the rest of the evening is open.  So, who will be there, and what does everyone need?  I will be there with Durambar, eager to flex my new protection talents.

Other things we can do on Friday:

SM Cathedral:  Still some caster drops (cap and amulet), and Mograine's Might would be a good shaman weapon.

Uldaman (partially):  Most of us are not of high enough level to finish Uldaman, but we will probably work on quest prep work for Uldaman, and there is a good possibility that we will go at least to the enchanter trainer, as there are two enchanters that need that, if I'm not mistaken.  (Dunar and Mogo)

Sound off on who will be there and what you need/want.

For the Horde!!
[right][snapback]86371[/snapback][/right]

I will be there, and if I haven't hit 42 yet, I'll be close. I'm not aware of anything specific I need in RFD, but I think there's a gun somewhere in the Uldaman series that I would like to get my hands on, but all in due time. I've also done the run to Kargath for the flight point, so I can get to the Uldaman area quickly if I'm needed in that area for a group. Just let me know where I'll be the most useful, and I'll be ready.

[Kevin]

I'm planning to be there. I still need to kill the 2 named in the SM Cathedral, though with some help I was able to get both books again (damn server rollbacks) and get those out of my log.

I'm not prepped for Uldaman (don't know if horde can one and done Uldaman with proper prep like alliance can) but at 44 (or 45) I'm big enough for it if we have a warrior that is big enough to tank the final boss and enough healing.

I still have alts in the Ragefire, Wailing Caverns, and Shadowfang range as well.

[bonemage]

I'm planning to be there.  I still need to kill the 2 named in the SM Cathedral, though with some help I was able to get both books again (damn server rollbacks) and get those out of my log. 

I'm not prepped for Uldaman (don't know if horde can one and done Uldaman with proper prep like alliance can) but at 44 (or 45) I'm big enough for it if we have a warrior that is big enough to tank the final boss and enough healing.

I still have alts in the Ragefire, Wailing Caverns, and Shadowfang range as well.
[right][snapback]86389[/snapback][/right]

Well, we weren't going to attempt the final boss in Uldaman, as Conc is the only warrior who might be able to it (he's 46, Durambar is 41) at this point. Uldaman is really on the chart for next week, but we might go partway into it on Friday.

SM Cathedral run should be a done deal then, as we have others wanting to go back. I also would like to see how well I main tank that area with my new talent layout. We've been successful since level 39 in the Cathedral, and ran it many times, but I'm curious how it plays now with new talents. We'll figure out if we do SM Cath after or during the RFD run, depending on who else comes and what they want/need to do. Another option is Thursday night (if SR raid isn't going on then). I will be on from 10-11PM Terenas realm time that night, and likely vor_lord as well. The two of us with Mogo and Marn can crank though SM Cath in 25-35 minutes.

[khgerg]

I will be there o Friday.

I would like to do SM Library for the hypnotic blade and the "Test of Lore" quest.

I would like to do SM Cathedral for the caster loot.

I would like to RFD because I have never been there.

[Treesh]

Mogo would like to hit Uldaman for the enchanter (it's the same person for both alliance and horde, correct?) and the cathedral for Monkey and his girlfriend. ;) I'll have to see how much Uldaman pre-instance prep I can get done with her. And how much room I have in my quest log. ;)

[gantor]

I will be there o Friday.

I would like to do SM Library for the hypnotic blade and the "Test of Lore" quest.

I would like to do SM Cathedral for the caster loot.

I would like to RFD because I have never been there.
[right][snapback]86403[/snapback][/right]

Ditto, ditto. (on Friday and "Test of Lore") I'm up for anything else, RFD sounds fine.

- Gantor

[vor_lord]

Well, we weren't going to attempt the final boss in Uldaman, as Conc is the only warrior who might be able to it (he's 46, Durambar is 41) at this point.  Uldaman is really on the chart for next week, but we might go partway into it on Friday.
[right][snapback]86397[/snapback][/right]

It's possible a single group could be made that can handle Uldaman. Sharc/Mogo/Marn/Conc are all of about the right level, and you could add another underleveled healer (Necrali or Dunar) and take it on.

Dunar (42? Druid of PapaSmurf's) is without internet access temporarily, but is planning on having everything ready by Friday.

There is a small chance I may not be there -- family is coming to visit and plans might be made that could make me miss. It is most likely that I will just be later getting started than normal.

For myself (Necrali), I'm still hoping for the sash drop in RFD and I'd like to get started on Uldaman. There are so many quests to do.



edit: Clarified my availability and cleaned up

[Concillian]

I will not be there this week or next due to wedding preparation.

Our site is about 2 hours from where I live, but only about 1 hour from where my fiance lives. So Friday night will be spent at her place.

The following week I do not know what is going on, but it's the week before the wedding so I wouldn't count on it. Of course, the week after that I will definitely not be there.

So don't count on me being there for at least a month. I may be able to make three weeks from now, but no guarantees at this point.

At that point you guys will all be done with Uldaman and probably will have zipped past me. :( Well, only my warrior, so that's okay :)


edit: oops this was supposed to be posted on the root. I replied to the wrong bonemage post.

[Xame]

I will be there o Friday.

I would like to do SM Library for the hypnotic blade and the "Test of Lore" quest.

I would like to do SM Cathedral for the caster loot.

I would like to RFD because I have never been there.
[right][snapback]86403[/snapback][/right]

I'll be there. This is the same plan I'm thinking about plus the escort quest in RFD and a shot at Uldraman. The SM quests should be the warm up to RFD and/or the rest break between RFD and Uldraman.

As for Uldraman, its a bit early but do-able. I want to run it at lvl ~43-45 w/ the boss fight at the end (final boss is 45 I believe). This is the last week for SM with next week being Udraman (again) and first half Maraudon. I really want to move on to Maraudon because it is the next great farmable instance after SM. Also hitting the princess in second half Maraudon in our late 40's in two weeks should make it a fun fight.

Unfortunately, Uldraman and 1st half Maraudon are long instances and could make for a long night. If we stretch these instances out over two weeks we many need to pull out the evil level caps to make these fun fights. I really don't want to run these instances like we did on Doomhammer; over leveled and sloppy. They look like they would be a lot of fun if we ran them slightly underleveled. Looking at the upcoming instances, if we can hold the line on our lvls for Maraudon we should have a nice leveling progression through instances to level 60 with some reasonable farming runs each week.

Upcoming Instances:

Uldraman (36-45)
Maraudon (37-50) (2nd half farming)
Zul Farrak (45-50)
Temple of Atal'Hakkar (50-55)
DM-East (55-60) (farming)
BRD (52-60)

[vor_lord]

As for Uldraman, its a bit early but do-able.  I want to run it at lvl ~43-45 w/ the boss fight at the end (final boss is 45 I believe).  This is the last week for SM with next week being Udraman (again) and first half Maraudon.  I really want to move on to Maraudon because it is the next great farmable instance after SM.  Also hitting the princess in second half Maraudon in our late 40's in two weeks should make it a fun fight.
[right][snapback]86460[/snapback][/right]

The final Uldaman boss is level hidden. The best indication of what level Blizzard had in mind for defeating him is in the quest level of The Platinum Discs, which is 47.

I believe that there is plenty of work to do in Uldaman without taking on the final boss (without Conc this week our chances of survival against him are non-existent).

If you want to get all the quests, there is a lot of quest prep necessary. You'll want to do Badlands Reagent Run which will lead to Uldaman Reagent Run. If you want to have access to the repeatable Indurium Ore quest, you'll need to do several quests in the Shimmering Flats. It's quite pointless -- no exp and just 6 silver for 4 Indurium, but if you like to do them all, you can only get the indurium ore in Uldaman.

[Kevin]

If you want to get all the quests, there is a lot of quest prep necessary.  You'll want to do Badlands Reagent Run which will lead to Uldaman Reagent Run.  If you want to have access to the repeatable Indurium Ore quest, you'll need to do several quests in the Shimmering Flats.  It's quite pointless -- no exp and just 6 silver for 4 Indurium, but if you like to do them all, you can only get the indurium ore in Uldaman.
[right][snapback]86467[/snapback][/right]

I know alliance prep for Uldaman is nuts. Quest lines that have you kill trogs then find ammies in the pre-instance area. Quest lines that lead you into the fortress next to Uldaman then go into Uldaman for stuff. Collecting stuff off the pre-instance elites, the 2 reagent runs, and more. But you can do things so that you only need to go through the instance portal one time to finish everything in Uldaman. :) I don't know if that is the case for horde. Not that it matters too much.

As for Indurium Ore, that is for a not yet implemented feature where you are supposed to be able to influence if the goblins or the gnomes win the race. Possibly with betting involved on the races and such. So it is relatively pointless but at least since alliance has to kill the troggs that drop the flakes for another line anyway you get overlap on that side.

I actually think if you can control the spawns at the end that a pet could tank the final Uldaman boss. His damage output is pretty steady. Since I acted as the only healer with a paladin in that fight with a group of 44-46's I know that you can do it without super healing as well. I've also healed it with a druid and tanked it with a warrior in the 44-48 range as well. Did both of those a couple of times actually. Only wipes we had were when we didn't deal with the spawns or we didn't pile on the boss at the appropriate time.

This is not to say that I'm pushing for a "Lets do Uldaman now!" but don't assume we can't just because we don't have a warrior. :)

[vor_lord]

As for Indurium Ore, that is for a not yet implemented feature where you are supposed to be able to influence if the goblins or the gnomes win the race.  Possibly with betting involved on the races and such.  So it is relatively pointless but at least since alliance has to kill the troggs that drop the flakes for another line anyway you get overlap on that side.

I wondered what that was for! Necrali ground out those troggs with Gorkuk last night -- I remembered the overlap quest from the Alliance side but I couldn't find any such thing for the horde related to them.

I actually think if you can control the spawns at the end that a pet could tank the final Uldaman boss.  His damage output is pretty steady.  Since I acted as the only healer with a paladin in that fight with a group of 44-46's I know that you can do it without super healing as well.  I've also healed it with a druid and tanked it with a warrior in the 44-48 range as well.  Did both of those a couple of times actually.  Only wipes we had were when we didn't deal with the spawns or we didn't pile on the boss at the appropriate time.

This is not to say that I'm pushing for a "Lets do Uldaman now!" but don't assume we can't just because we don't have a warrior. :)

So you are describing the strategy where you kill off the spawns until the two big elites spawn, then pile on the boss to finish him off, and the elites disappear? We didn't know that would work when we did it the first time. I off-tanked the boss and healed myself (paladin) while the rest of the party killed everything that spawned. We finished off the boss last. Doing it that way sure seemed like it required quite a lot of healing -- despite the fact that I was nearly totally self sufficient (I got an instant heal thrown my way from our druid once) healing through the elite spawns at least seemed like a challenge. I'm probably overestimating the difficulty of the encounter.

Our conclusion was that the damage rate on the boss must be controlled as it seemed to dictate the spawn rate of the nonelites. Is that really how it works? Our first two failed attempts we had too much damage on the boss and couldn't handle the rate at which things spawned.

My concern with Conc being gone wasn't so much the lack of a warrior, but rather the lack of an appropriate leveled tank or offtank for the boss. His damage output should be relatively easy to control, but not if he's critting half the time :o I've never got to see a beast mastery pet in action yet though -- maybe 44 is enough.

[Darian]

Our conclusion was that the damage rate on the boss must be controlled as it seemed to dictate the spawn rate of the nonelites.  Is that really how it works?  Our first two failed attempts we had too much damage on the boss and couldn't handle the rate at which things spawned.
[right][snapback]86478[/snapback][/right]

Reaching back into the depths of my addled and senile memory...

Basically, the spawns are triggered by how much life he has left. The little guys are AoE fodder anyway, and the elites come out at 50%, IIRC.

[Kevin]

Our conclusion was that the damage rate on the boss must be controlled as it seemed to dictate the spawn rate of the nonelites.  Is that really how it works?  Our first two failed attempts we had too much damage on the boss and couldn't handle the rate at which things spawned.
[right][snapback]86478[/snapback][/right]

I'd be a bit worried about Meowry tanking that at 44 too, but I still think we could do it. It's also possible for Marn to tank it with spirit bond running and Meowry on aggressive smacking around the little monkeys or the two sharing the load as well. But the party needs to be aware of how things are going to be be tanked. Teamspeak helps this because you can tell the healer to stop healing you and start healing whoever else.

I'm pretty sure that spawns are controlled by the amount of damage he has taken as well. He wakes them up so they can heal him. A pet tank, especially mine, will not have nearly the steady damage output that a warrior will have. Meowry flurries and crits a fair bit but there isn't a lot of control on that damage.

Of course while I think we might be able to do it, I'm not sure Treesh and I will have all the prereqs done anyway. :)

As for my healing with a paladin. I was drained on mana at the end of it all, and I did use innervate one of the runs with my druid healing. So yeah it is worse than I first made it seem but it can be done. I've gone in without AoE for the little guys as well and they are still not a big deal. Using bandages is very possible in the encounter as well for all but the tank. I'd feel more comfortable with another healer around be it two shaman or a druid or what not. A bear druid would tank him quite well and could do some self healing if need be, though that can get tricky for druids. Don't know if we have a druid in that range though.

But really I just want to clear the stupid quests out of my log for Scarlet Monestary. :)

[bonemage]

Here's the plan:

Looks like SM Cathedral is top priority for quest completion for Mogo and Marn and the loot drops. We could do back to back runs of the Cathedral.

RFD is next priority as we have some that have yet to see this instance, and still some desired loot for some that have.

Uldaman prep work, trip to enchanter, possible zerging of boss are possibilties, and a group might form for this if the second run of Cath and RFD are not desired. Depending on everyone's bed time, this could also be done late.

SM Library is wanted by several, but that instance can easily be run by a group of 3, and will likely be squeezed in at another time. This instance doesn't need the attention of a full party, which is the main reason it's at the bottom. It's possible a small library group will go while SM Cath is run, but since those desiring the Library are also those with Cath drop wants, a choice will have to be made.

Sound ok?

Plan on Uldaman for Friday the 26th, regardless of how far we go into it this week!

Edit: edited for clarity.

[Concillian]

If you want to get all the quests, there is a lot of quest prep necessary.  You'll want to do Badlands Reagent Run which will lead to Uldaman Reagent Run.  If you want to have access to the repeatable Indurium Ore quest, you'll need to do several quests in the Shimmering Flats.  It's quite pointless -- no exp and just 6 silver for 4 Indurium, but if you like to do them all, you can only get the indurium ore in Uldaman.
[right][snapback]86467[/snapback][/right]

Be sure to stop in Orgrimmar at the junk dealer and get the Shattered necklace quest. This will kill the 'one trip and out' for Uldaman, because you have to bring the necklace back to the Droffers before you can continue. Perhaps an expeditionary run into the digs outside the instance one week and the real instance the next.

http://www.thottbot.com/index.cgi?q=1278

The necklace will look useless since you can't accept the quest when it drops (because that's the alliance quest.) but you need to take it to the Droffers. It really shows how much of an afterhought some of the Horde side quests are.

[Shriek]

Be sure to stop in Orgrimmar at the junk dealer and get the Shattered necklace quest.  This will kill the 'one trip and out' for Uldaman, because you have to bring the necklace back to the Droffers before you can continue.

FYI, you don't need the quest from Org to get the necklace. You can just show up at Droffers' to take the quest, turn it in, and get the next step.

This quest makes Uld a bit of a pain for the Horde, but I saw way too much of it trying to coax Grimlok to give up that spear, and I picked up a few tips:

* As Concillian suggests, get the necklace first. Don't put together a group of five and zone-in only to realize you've go no reason to be there. Everyone should hope to find the necklace while collecting power stones outside (I like all the way outside, by the meeting stone) and go turn it in beforehand.

* As above, get your power stones on your own time. There are not enough for five questers in a run through the instance. IIRC, shrooms are also in short supply, but I've never done it with more than a couple needing them. These are in the instance and in the cave before, so keep your eyes open.

* Make sure you kill the Vikings. Why? So you can kill Ironaya. Why? `cause it's just too cool not to! :P

* Bind to Kargath. You'll find the Pally's remains a short ways into the instance, then you need to return to the Inn at Kargath before you finally get the quest to actually kill the bosses. It's annoying, but if you hearth, ride back, and stiff-arm your way to and off of the ledge and back into the instance, then you can get going again in short order.

* Oh, and make sure you kill Grimlok, too, even if you already have his gem. Why? `cause he's stingy and was mean to me. :angry:

[bonemage]

* Oh, and make sure you kill Grimlok, too, even if you already have his gem.  Why?  `cause he's stingy and was mean to me. :angry:
[right][snapback]86563[/snapback][/right]

We're planning on farming him for his polearm for Voiceman's hunter. I'll think of you and curse/spit on him for you.

[PapaSmurf]

Well I finally have internet access. It's been a while since I've played so I'm looking forward to it.

2 Things I'd be interested in doing.

1. Finish RFD. I still haven't completed the last quest.

2. Get to uldaman enchanter trainer. I've got the level and gold to buy out everything he's got.

-PapaSmurf