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New Elements - Kartoffelsalat - 02-03-2004 Quote:Uut and Uup Add Their Atomic Mass to Periodic Table I heard about this today form my chem teacher. Obviously they aren't too useful, lasting only a couple of seconds, but it's pretty impressive nonetheless. Here's the link: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/01/science/01ELEM.html New Elements - Jeunemaitre - 02-03-2004 If you're interested in collision experiments, you might also look at the work being done at Brookhaven National Labs using the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider (The RHIC). Using the nuclei of gold atoms that have been accelerated to 99.995% the speed of light (source: FAQ). The research predominantly seeks to recreate the state of matter just preceding the formation of "larger subatomic particles" that existed about 10^-4 seconds before the big bang (at a temperature of more than 10^12 k). There's a series of descriptions of some of the experimental apparatus used at the ring, and they have some pretty interesting graphic illustrations the effects of a collision. edit: correcting subject agreement New Elements - Lady Vashj - 02-04-2004 What I want to see are neon and helium compounds. Those might have some practical value. Question? What sort of matter do they theorize existed before the big bang? New Elements - Jeunemaitre - 02-04-2004 Lady Vashj,Feb 4 2004, 07:47 AM Wrote:Question? What sort of matter do they theorize existed before the big bang? DISCLAIMER: I am not a nuclear physicist, nor do I play one on TV, nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, but I did find out the following information from the RHIC website: Main site or the collision primer series of pages starting here The theory goes: as you raise the temperature of any substance, you increase the level of molecular motion in that substance (definition of temperature). If you raise the temperature high enough, the electrons will begin to disassociate from the nuclei, leaving a plasma state of positive ions floating through a sea of randomly distributed electrons. (This is how that come up with the "heavy ions" that are used in the RHIC) Now that you have naked nuclei, if you continue to increase the temperature, you can reach a plasma state where the protons start to pull away from the neutrons, reversing nucleosynthesis (this is thought to happen just above 10^9th k). Keep raising the temperature to up above 10^12 k and you begin to reverse a process called hadronization. Hadrons are the commonly known nucleic subatomic particles (I think this refers to protons and neutrons only), and they are made up of smaller particles called quarks. There are several flavors of quarks (top, left, etc.), a specific combination of which creates a proton, and a different combination creates a neutron. The quarks are held together by bridge particles called gluons (glue - ons, physicists can be really uncreative sometimes). When you get to the point of reversing hadronization, you break the bigger particles into the quarks and gluons that make them up forming a "quark-gluon" plasma. It's thought that this quark-gluon plasma existed as the only state of matter immediately preceding the big bang. Because there's no practical way to keep a bunch atoms at a temperature that high for any length of time in order to study them, physicists have to do it another way. Enter colliders: by accelerating atoms to very high speeds and smashing them together to see what flies out of the collision. With enough data about what comes out of the collision and what went into it, they can infer what happened in the instant when the two nuclei collided. edit: stupid fingers, wrong button. Never hit submit post before typing the post New Elements - Lady Vashj - 02-04-2004 Interesting theory. I suppose it's much more feasible than anything else anyone has come up with so far. The six known flavors of quark are up, down, top, bottom, charm, and strange. Protons are two up and one down, neutrons are one up and two down. The other four don't seem to form anything stable. New Elements - Cryptic - 02-04-2004 Quote:By an international convention based on the numbers, element 113 will be given the temporary name Ununtrium (abbreviated Uut for the periodic table) and element 115 will be designated Ununpentium (Uup). So when are they going to find Unobtainium? :P New Elements - Raziel - 02-04-2004 ^ Some time past 120 protons, I think, which should be the next stable "plateau". That's if I have my grade 12 physics memories straight. I believe that theoretically there should be a whole bunch of high-proton stable elements up there waiting to be "discovered". New Elements - Dozer - 02-05-2004 Quote:that existed about 10^-4 seconds before the big bang (at a temperature of more than 10^12 k). :blink: :blink: :blink: :blink: :blink: :blink: :blink: :blink: That's just mind-boggling. New Elements - Occhidiangela - 02-08-2004 Quote:that existed about 10^-4 seconds before the big bang (at a temperature of more than 10^12 k). Not quite enough time for a cigarette after that big bang. :D New Elements - TheDragoon - 02-08-2004 And then you can put the ideas of Hyperspace and String Theory in there and say that at the big bang that a bunch of "curled up" dimensions of today were completely uncurled and everything existed in many more dimensions than we normally see today. With those extra dimensions, I wonder if some of the unstable things of today were more stable. :) |