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RE: No More Bin Laden - DeeBye - 05-21-2011
(05-21-2011, 01:24 AM)--Pete Wrote: And the probability of anti-abortion advocates lying is approximately the same as the percentage of Planned Parenthood funding going to abortions. I.e., 90%.
Good news everyone!
Planned Parenthood Opens $8 Billion Abortionplex
http://www.theonion.com/articles/planned-parenthood-opens-8-billion-abortionplex,20476/
RE: No More Bin Laden - kandrathe - 05-21-2011
(05-21-2011, 12:52 AM)Jester Wrote: I'm not convinced. The overwhelming majority of abortions happen at a time in pregnancy where the chances of the baby being viable at all, let alone after an abortion, are vanishing. The chances of anti-abortion websites portraying abortion providers as heartless murderers, on the other hand, approaches unity.Sources aside... It does happen. --> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article597136.ece
I've read many accounts by former abortion doctors who are haunted by nightmares of ripped apart fetus's. And, not surprisingly, abortion survivors tend to be very outspoken anti-abortionists.
RE: No More Bin Laden - Jester - 05-21-2011
(05-21-2011, 04:53 PM)kandrathe Wrote: Sources aside... It does happen. --> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article597136.ece
I've read many accounts by former abortion doctors who are haunted by nightmares of ripped apart fetus's. And, not surprisingly, abortion survivors tend to be very outspoken anti-abortionists.
Babies born alive during abortions who survive are, by definition, not killed, right? The existence of babies that are born, and survive, despite their mothers having attempted an abortion, are the opposite of what Alram claimed was happening - that heartless abortionists simply leave viable, already-born babies to die, presumably of neglect.
The one story on the linked page that involved failure to provide care sounds like an extraordinarily marginal case - 22 weeks is incredibly premature, and the odds of survival even in optimal cases are very, very low. Because of the imprecise nature of medicine, this will never be 100%, beyond any possibility of a doubt, flawless. Wrong calls will sometimes be made, same as in any profession. That this particular baby died in a mere three hours without critical life support indicates that, in all likelihood, the doctors were correct. The idea that this baby could have been saved sounds like wishful thinking at best, and a bald attempt to cast the doctors as murderers at worst.
Medicine is messy business. Doctors are haunted by all sorts of things - missed calls, patients with truly horrible suffering, being surrounded by death and the dying. If you can't take the emotional trauma of dealing with incredibly difficult, life-and-death decisions that may not have crystal clear moral implications, then you're probably in the wrong line of work.
You're probably right about the survivors of attempted abortions, but a few anecdotes does not adequately demonstrate a tendency for the whole population. Has anyone actually polled them? Or interviewed an unbiased sample? They are people like all others, and presumably have a diversity of opinions, despite their personal tragedies.
-Jester