Quote:I think it's crap that I now have to choose between spending no mana for no healing, or spending a lot of mana for a lot of healing that's going to become overhealing. Why can't I cast a spell that costs a medium amount of mana and heals for a medium-high amount of health?

There's no rational thought behind this change, so far as I can see. I can only see it hurting everyone, particularly healers.

Quote:They literally cannot do that, however.

- they stated instances will have 10 man and 25 man versions. Therefore if you require 4+ "real" tanks, then you cannot really have a 10 man version, can you.
- If you have 4+ tanks taking REAL damage, then you need like 10 healers. If they don't take real damage, then people will improvise by AoE tanking or have them tanked by DPS classes.

I think they could consistently design encounters that required a large number of tanks if they hadn't already committed themselves to 10 and 25 man versions of the same dungeons.

The healing situation is interesting. People get burned out on healing more than tanking or DPSing. When a healer switches mains to DPS, it's burnout. When a DPS switches mains to a healer it's to help with raid makeup or for the good of the raiding body. This is an area that might need some large and sweeping changes.

Quote:Besides, you know, removing all the unintentional consequences of downranking.

And why can't people get off downranking as the only alternative to big healttle heal?

Suggestion: Bring Back Heal!:
It doesn't sound like a change they are at all willing to revert. Stop fighting them on it, start working on fixing the resulting deficiencies.

Quote:Fine. You have Priests covered. What about Druids, Shamans, and especially Paladins?

Or do they no longer count?

EDIT: Holy Shock heals for about the same amount as Flash of Light (having a higher base amount, but a lower healpower coefficient), and costs significantly more mana. Where is the midrange heal for Paladins, if they're going to remove downranking? What about Shamans? Maybe Druids have it covered in Regrowth, but does that mean they don't get to use Healing Touch anymore if they need some healing right away without blowing tons of mana?

EDIT 2: I do have a small heal: Flash of Light. I do have a big heal: Holy Light. And, currently, I also have a medium heal: Holy Light, rank 7. I typically use r7 HL more than anything else due to the talents affecting it, and because Flash of Light spam starts to suck as you get further into content (where healing for 1700-2000 every ~1.50 seconds isn't enough to keep up.) However, I simply can't endlessly spam rank 11 Holy Light if I don't want to be reduced to twiddling my thumbs between mana potions, so the obvious answer is to downrank to find an agreeable spot that heals enough to keep up, but doesn't burn through my mana so quickly. I still have Flash of Light to top people off, and I still have rank 11 Holy Light to quickly bring people back up to full, but I use a downranked Holy Light to strike a balance between healing done and mana spent. I suppose that, after they rebalance everything (which seems like a ton of work and I'm almost willing to bet money they will screw something up along the way like they always seem to do), I could live with just my Flash of Light, Holy Light, and potentially Holy Shock. But that reduces the complexity of playing a healer - both in PvE and PvP - and I frankly think they're "noobifying" the game enough as it is.

For once, cater to the people that aren't so lazy that they're willing to read the stickied posts on their class forums (which are, typically, about the only posts worth reading in any forum in the official forums) instead of people that have no idea what threat is and how to manage it.

Quote:Aug 14 News
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Well, hunters have gotten some pretty serious love this push, and next it would seem.

Quote:On the other hand, the QQing from Mages, Warriors, and Rogues in that article's comments are getting pretty unbear(trap)able already; and if the Rogues are complaining, then it's a pretty sure bet that Blizzard will listen to them. Also, Blizzard's own treatment of the class has long been a history of dangling something shiny in front of us before taking that away. I'm just wondering how many of these positive changes will actually make it into live.

Quote:I think it's crap that I now have to choose between spending no mana for no healing, or spending a lot of mana for a lot of healing that's going to become overhealing. Why can't I cast a spell that costs a medium amount of mana and heals for a medium-high amount of health?

There's no rational thought behind this change, so far as I can see. I can only see it hurting everyone, particularly healers.

Quote:On the other hand, the QQing from Mages, Warriors, and Rogues in that article's comments are getting pretty unbear(trap)able already; and if the Rogues are complaining, then it's a pretty sure bet that Blizzard will listen to them. Also, Blizzard's own treatment of the class has long been a history of dangling something shiny in front of us before taking that away. I'm just wondering how many of these positive changes will actually make it into live.

Quote:Yeah, I'm a bit excited and worried, too. The last time hunters had anything this shiny was in the couple weeks before TBC launched. Then due to the whining about lvl 70 abilities at 60, we got nerfed so hard it took us the better part of a year to stop being the joke of TBC.

Quote:Please tell me what I'm missing here, but hunters have beeen pretty good all throughout TBC, when looked at from a PvE perspective (which I'm assuming is the perspective you are using). I think mages are much more the joke of TBC. They went from top of the heap on ranged DPS to bottom of the barrel. It was especially ironic that fire was the best raiding spec, and when TBC started, they were virtually required to be spellfire tailors... but that required farming primal fire from mobs immune to fire and primal mana from mobs that are generally pretty caster un-friendly.

Quote:I'm not sure when you were doing Gruul that hunters were desirable on him, but he is the kind of boss fight in which hunters excell at

Quote:Since this is happening across the board to all healers, it's just a mechanical change that all healers will have to adapt to equally.

Quote:I was chatting with a friend about Potion Sickness a few days ago and we though it'd be nice if they broke Potions into 3 groups (ala Elixirs) and gave you an independent Sickness for each. So you could eat: 1xHealth, 1xCombat and 1xEnergy potion per battle. With Energy being Rage,Mana,Energy potions. Combat would be your Haste,Destruction,Stoneshield pots. That would allow you to still have to decide when to use each, but would prevent chain chugging, yet also keep the uh oh I just drank that Haste Pot now I'm at 100HP and really should be using a Health Pot situation.

-WimpySmurf

Quote:Another good question here is, What Tabard do you wear?

Quote:Another good question here is, What Tabard do you wear? See, I don't like tabards. I got one when I joined my first guild a long, long time ago, I wore it for the Goldshire party I was attending...and it's taken up a bank slot ever since. I've won tabards, been awarded tabards, earned them with rep grinds...and I don't wear a single one. None of them catch my eye like the armor does. So, what Tabard is your personal favorite, or not?