Quote:... I'm not as confident, after all there's not enough Samuel L. Jackson to be stationed in every plane, should there be a problem. ...

Quote:Glazers Doc...use Glazers...No worries of going through the skin of an aircraft then, but you will drop someone, even with a 22 caliber.

Quote:PPG. Plasma Projectile Gun. A cohesive bolt of superheated helium plasma. Destructive to organic tissue without penetrating a deep-space pressure hull. You'll need a veritable barrage of them in order to take out a Vorlon in his encounter suit, though...

For problems within this century, however, there's always aluminium hollowpoints or frangible ammunition. Trouble there, of course, is that Kevlar would be able to stop those with no sweat. Then again, find some dude trying to get aboard a plane with a bulletproof vest, and up goes the red flag.

Quote:Glaser is frangible, it was the first frangible ammo created back in 1974.

Quote:I believe he is thinking about the more modern frangibles. They make a round where the bullet is actually compressed metal particles (think sand). It will damage tissue, but pretty much falls apart if it hits anything more solid than a human body. Neat stuff, but I think heavy clothing (or enough layers) might be enought to defeat this type of round.

They also make lower velocity rounds, specifically for use on airplanes to minimize the risk of over-penetration. I seriously doubt that the air marshalls are packing Federal Hydrashoks in their duty weapons........

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Quote:I read some place that air marshals are using bean bag rounds.

I reckon those would work if you aimed for the groin.

Quote:I believe he is thinking about the more modern frangibles. They make a round where the bullet is actually compressed metal particles (think sand). It will damage tissue, but pretty much falls apart if it hits anything more solid than a human body. Neat stuff, but I think heavy clothing (or enough layers) might be enought to defeat this type of round.

They also make lower velocity rounds, specifically for use on airplanes to minimize the risk of over-penetration. I seriously doubt that the air marshalls are packing Federal Hydrashoks in their duty weapons........

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Quote:Problem is with guns on planes is blowing a hole in the plane it self.

Quote:PS 'Jafi', a useful acronym I recently invented to distinguish the people that are trying to kill you on the highway while talking on their cell phones from those that cannot drive even when not on a cell phone. Jafi is simply 'just another effing idiot'.

Quote:The title of this thread "after gun control" and "knife control" just made me ponder: Birth Control. If there were better birth control, we'd "need" less gun control. Perhaps a flawed premise, but one can dream.

Quote:As I said, that is exactly what Glasers are. The company that made them in 1974 is still around and improving the rounds consistenly. Google Glaser rounds sometime, you'll find that the company still exists and still is producing and redefining the ammunition.

Quote:I read some place that air marshals are using bean bag rounds.

I reckon those would work if you aimed for the groin.

Quote:Sorry. I mistook 'Glasers' as an appellation of gamma-ray lasers. Nothing quite says "unwelcome overpenetration" like a coherent beam of high-energy photons.

Quote:As I said, that is exactly what Glasers are. The company that made them in 1974 is still around and improving the rounds consistenly. Google Glaser rounds sometime, you'll find that the company still exists and still is producing and redefining the ammunition.