Quote:On trash that dies too fast for SoV to tick and as the DPS seal for Holy paladins.

Quote:Threat scaling values for prot threat stats:

From a spreadsheet that i believe is mostly correct, given a spec with Seals of the Pure but not reckoning: (something like this)
Note that the first stat (TPS) is before buffs, and the 2nd stat (TPS per iPoint) = after kings/divine strength and shows the threat per relative value of the stat.
(This doesn't include crit or resist rates as i assumed they would be the same for both sor/sov)

Both Seals:
1 Weapon DPS = 2.1 TPS
1 BV = 1.41 TPS = 2.56 TPS per iPoint
Using SOR:
1 AP = 0.45 TPS = 0.9 TPS per iPoint
1 SP = 0.4 TPS = 0.47 TPS per iPoint
1 Str = 1.49 TPS = 1.88 TPS per iPoint.
1 Sta = 0.133 TPS = 0.225 TPS per iPoint
1 Sec weapon speed = 44 TPS (slower = more threat, due to SOR procs on HotR and SotR)

Using SOV:
1 AP = 0.5 TPS = 1 TPS per iPoint
1 SP = .38 TPS = 0.44 TPS per iPoint
1 Str = 1.66 TPS = 2.1 TPS per iPoint
1 Sta = 0.114 TPS = 0.21 TPS per iPoint
1 Sec weapon speed = 3 TPS

Using SOV and an epic spellpower weapon:
1 DPS = 2.1 TPS as melee weapon
1 Sac DPS = (7*0.38 ) = 2.66 TPS as a spellpower weapon.
Which puts spellpower on a weapon as the best scaling stat, followed by block value and strength from other sources.

And as a starting point, for a paladin with stats (after buffs) of 2500 AP, 600 SP, 700 BV:
with the Titansteel Guardian: =3113 TPS with Vengeance
with Titansteel Bonecrusher: = 3128 TPS with Vengeance
-- the Bonecrusher comes out ahead due to the 140 AP on the weapon - without this AP, bonecrusher is at 3062 TPS.

Quote:But testing with Avenger's Shield without RF gives:

1642 damage -> 1674.84 threat
1451 damage -> 1480.02 threat

From that I'm going to assume that AS has no "high threat" modifier anymore, and that the snare effect causes roughly 30 threat.

Now, testing Avenger's Shield with RF gives:

1560 damage -> 4323.29 threat

If we take away 30 threat to account for the snare, that's 4293 threat from the damage, which is almost exactly what you'd expect if you had the standard RF effect (190% threat from Holy damage), plus an extra bonus for "baked-in salv" (multiply by 142.8%).

It's only one test (I'll do some more to confirm) but it looks like we're getting baked in salv in addition to a couple of new high-threat moves. Seems excessive to me, but I guess at least it means 3.0 won't be a huge worry.

Quote:Originally Posted by Mordekhuul

Quote:Thanks for posting this, but what does "1 Sac DPS" mean? I'm just missing some obvious word that "Sac" abbreviates, I believe.

Thanks.

You've probably noticed that weapons with high +Spell Damage, such as the Continuum Blade for example, have a lower DPS than other weapons of a similar ilvl. This is because a certain amount of weapon DPS is sacrificed (hence 'Sac') for Spell Power, at a rate of 1 DPS = 7 Spellpower.

Hence his value for Threat per second: 1 Sacrificed DPS = (7 Spell damage * 0.38 Threat per Spell Damage for SoV) = 2.66 Threat Per Second.

Hope that explains it.

Quote:What are your post-3.0 raid plans, Morde? Content dictates gearing, imo. Are you heading to Brutallus or chilling with T6? Would determine the importance of avoidance vs. EH.

~FragB)

Quote:I believe they're actually putting a ring in the fourth chest.

Gemming for stamina is sort of like adhering to the lowest common denominator: It works on almost everything, but it isn't the optimal solution. It is by far the easiest (and simplest) choice, which is why so many favor it (including myself).