Hi,
Only disagreement on one point here.
I disagree here. He explicitely worded the question like this, mentioning that all others know of and are willing to accept these practices.
I'm quoting Merriam-Webster here:
"Merriam-Webster Online Thesaurus:
Entry Word: cheat
Function: verb
Text: to obtain something (as money) from or an advantage over by dishonesty and trickery <cheated out of his inheritance by a grasping lawyer>"
As you can see, there is no dishonesty and trickery involved here. He also isn't obtaining an advantage 'over' the others, since they are playing together, and he doesn't mention with one word that they fight against each other.
Furthermore, I'd like to add that there is no general 'definition' that the use of third party programs IS cheating. No, you can't put it like that. I am not a cheater because I have a calculator running while I'm playing Diablo to sum up some values I find important. I ain't no cheater because I have FoxBats DIIAccelerator running because I couldn't technically run the game without it. Such 'definitions' bring the bile up my gullet. They are just examples of narrow-minded jerks trying to express their fed up-ness with some alleged 'hacker dude' without having thought about the whole thing for one minute, but instead repeating old-established 'rules' that are none (no offense).
Game ethics are a very complicated subject. You sure have to adhere to the EULA of the game you just bought. But apart from that: Since you just paid money for it, it's now virtually yours, and you can do whatever you want with it as long as that doesn't violate any other general law. If it's your wish to sh** on it and then incinerate it without ever having played it, this is perfectly ok. Not 'normal' perhaps, but perfectly ok.
The general term 'no use of third party programs with our game xy' has got to be considered nonsense nowadays. I'm sure that there are other wordings that allow a greater restriction as to what is permitted with the game and are more practicable, but in our contemporary soft- and hardware world, such a harsh restriction is complete crap.
So yes, *if* the EULA of the game that you bought was readable *before* you bought it, or you are able to get your money back if you don't agree with the EULA (you usually don't get back a pence), and if this EULA includes that simply NO programs specified as - hackers, trainers, modifiers, editors or any other program that alters the game code in any way - are to be used with this particular software, *then* you aren't allowed to use them with the game.
Conclusion: Feel free to 'cheat' in singleplayer in most games. The only one you're cheating on is yourself. To check whether this rule is applicable or not, read the EULA of the games (and adhere to it).
Greetings, Fragbait
Only disagreement on one point here.
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2. If everyone in the game knew that an individual was using such practices and were willing to accept it, would it still be cheating?
Of course it would be.
I disagree here. He explicitely worded the question like this, mentioning that all others know of and are willing to accept these practices.
I'm quoting Merriam-Webster here:
"Merriam-Webster Online Thesaurus:
Entry Word: cheat
Function: verb
Text: to obtain something (as money) from or an advantage over by dishonesty and trickery <cheated out of his inheritance by a grasping lawyer>"
As you can see, there is no dishonesty and trickery involved here. He also isn't obtaining an advantage 'over' the others, since they are playing together, and he doesn't mention with one word that they fight against each other.
Furthermore, I'd like to add that there is no general 'definition' that the use of third party programs IS cheating. No, you can't put it like that. I am not a cheater because I have a calculator running while I'm playing Diablo to sum up some values I find important. I ain't no cheater because I have FoxBats DIIAccelerator running because I couldn't technically run the game without it. Such 'definitions' bring the bile up my gullet. They are just examples of narrow-minded jerks trying to express their fed up-ness with some alleged 'hacker dude' without having thought about the whole thing for one minute, but instead repeating old-established 'rules' that are none (no offense).
Game ethics are a very complicated subject. You sure have to adhere to the EULA of the game you just bought. But apart from that: Since you just paid money for it, it's now virtually yours, and you can do whatever you want with it as long as that doesn't violate any other general law. If it's your wish to sh** on it and then incinerate it without ever having played it, this is perfectly ok. Not 'normal' perhaps, but perfectly ok.
The general term 'no use of third party programs with our game xy' has got to be considered nonsense nowadays. I'm sure that there are other wordings that allow a greater restriction as to what is permitted with the game and are more practicable, but in our contemporary soft- and hardware world, such a harsh restriction is complete crap.
So yes, *if* the EULA of the game that you bought was readable *before* you bought it, or you are able to get your money back if you don't agree with the EULA (you usually don't get back a pence), and if this EULA includes that simply NO programs specified as - hackers, trainers, modifiers, editors or any other program that alters the game code in any way - are to be used with this particular software, *then* you aren't allowed to use them with the game.
Conclusion: Feel free to 'cheat' in singleplayer in most games. The only one you're cheating on is yourself. To check whether this rule is applicable or not, read the EULA of the games (and adhere to it).
Greetings, Fragbait
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