07-13-2005, 06:51 AM
Replies to SetBuilder and Harlequin.
Actually, what I detected in your comment is exactly the opportunisitic cheating to which you admitted here: "At this point, pretty much any game I know I will cheat in, I will not play, for that specific reason." And you go on.
It isn't "hard not to do it" for me, but I guess I'm less of an opportunist.
If you think that, you've never seen a DSF cheating diatribe. We've got cheating defined with nigh upon mathematical precision. But to avoid a windy paragraph: No, cheating and bug abuse are quite intimately related.
And your experience shows.
Honestly, if you've been around as much as you say you have, you know that different boards let different things slide. At the Lounge, we're a bit draconian on some matters. One of them is people offering Hellfire for download. I personally think Hellfire ought to count as abandonware. It's old, it's moldy, I doubt Sierra's making any money off it, and the most support they're giving it is hosting the v1.01 patch (when it really deserves at least one more to fix a whole slew of screw-ups and broken features). However, this isn't my site, so it's not my decision to take the risk.
That's an assumption. In actuality, I've been away all day and I just got home. Your first reply to me did start to change my mind, though, especially the part where you tell an admin you ought to flame him in a post where he's moderating you.
For the record, my attitude has nothing to do with this being "my board." Here I carry the moderator baggage in addition to being a poster. For that, I have to deal with assertions, like yours, that insinuate I edit posts simply because I disagree with them. You know what? I have never once seen someone give me an example of such a post, so unless you can produce one I'd like to submit that you form arguments based on outright lies.
And you know, I am a hardass. I'm grumpy, and oftentimes I don't like dealing with the stuff the same boring crap over and over. (Do you know how many "Download Hellfire here" threads I've seen? UGH.) But you can bet that if I bother to make an argument, I've got a solid base from which to argue. That's why you notice it's so difficult to change my mind: it's not easy to knock down something that rests on a solid foundation. That doesn't mean I'm unswayable. That doesn't mean I hold my opinions just because I have some supposed lofty seat of power (anyone who has this job and doesn't say it sucks is either lying or a masochist). It means that I'm confident in what I think, and especially in cases related to this game, it's gonna be hard as hell to convince me otherwise.
But you can think otherwise. You can say otherwise. I might bark at you and tell you it's wrong; you can continue saying otherwise. But you cannot link to places to download Hellfire; I will not risk the Lounge for that.
-Lem
SetBuilder Wrote:2. Gaming Ethics - I'm tempted to flame you for flat accusing me of being a cheater, as that's what you just did, however I will not.
Actually, what I detected in your comment is exactly the opportunisitic cheating to which you admitted here: "At this point, pretty much any game I know I will cheat in, I will not play, for that specific reason." And you go on.
Quote:But when you can drop an item on the ground, go to pick it up, and pick up a potion at the same time, and suddenly have a second copy of that item, it's just too easy, and hard not to do it.
It isn't "hard not to do it" for me, but I guess I'm less of an opportunist.
Quote:I'm not excusing or justifying it, but "cheating" and taking advantage of a bug in a game are fairly different subjects. That bug was never fixed.
If you think that, you've never seen a DSF cheating diatribe. We've got cheating defined with nigh upon mathematical precision. But to avoid a windy paragraph: No, cheating and bug abuse are quite intimately related.
Quote:Don't listen to me though, as I've only operated as owner 15 message boards, 6 websites, and admined or moderated close to 50 others. I probably do not know what I'm talking about.
And your experience shows.
Honestly, if you've been around as much as you say you have, you know that different boards let different things slide. At the Lounge, we're a bit draconian on some matters. One of them is people offering Hellfire for download. I personally think Hellfire ought to count as abandonware. It's old, it's moldy, I doubt Sierra's making any money off it, and the most support they're giving it is hosting the v1.01 patch (when it really deserves at least one more to fix a whole slew of screw-ups and broken features). However, this isn't my site, so it's not my decision to take the risk.
Quote:I've stated my case, and I'm still here, not banned, so apparently he's a logical, reasoning person, so not big deal.
That's an assumption. In actuality, I've been away all day and I just got home. Your first reply to me did start to change my mind, though, especially the part where you tell an admin you ought to flame him in a post where he's moderating you.
Harlequin Wrote:You're opinion is irrelevant. You can't convince Lemming that any opinion other than his is the right one. Don't bother trying. Others have and it's a waste of time. Anything you try will either be edited out or argued down. This is his board so you he can do whatever he wants.
For the record, my attitude has nothing to do with this being "my board." Here I carry the moderator baggage in addition to being a poster. For that, I have to deal with assertions, like yours, that insinuate I edit posts simply because I disagree with them. You know what? I have never once seen someone give me an example of such a post, so unless you can produce one I'd like to submit that you form arguments based on outright lies.
And you know, I am a hardass. I'm grumpy, and oftentimes I don't like dealing with the stuff the same boring crap over and over. (Do you know how many "Download Hellfire here" threads I've seen? UGH.) But you can bet that if I bother to make an argument, I've got a solid base from which to argue. That's why you notice it's so difficult to change my mind: it's not easy to knock down something that rests on a solid foundation. That doesn't mean I'm unswayable. That doesn't mean I hold my opinions just because I have some supposed lofty seat of power (anyone who has this job and doesn't say it sucks is either lying or a masochist). It means that I'm confident in what I think, and especially in cases related to this game, it's gonna be hard as hell to convince me otherwise.
But you can think otherwise. You can say otherwise. I might bark at you and tell you it's wrong; you can continue saying otherwise. But you cannot link to places to download Hellfire; I will not risk the Lounge for that.
-Lem