12-09-2006, 06:37 AM
> But this is wishful thinking again already...:rolleyes:
Then on that particular note, I think the whole difficulty scaling scheme was good for what it was, but I have no particular interest in seeing it repeated in something like the next gen Diablo\Diablo like games.
I wish I can see more and better examples of dealing and ramping up difficulty in relation with the number and power of players. The usual (and I think a bit dated and tired by now) way of progression might be something like the player starts out as Spiderman let's say. The first type of enemies he will face is probably low level bandits and thugs. Then it goes to maybe more lethal and faster thugs with deadlier bullets. Then technologically enhanced villains starts to appear. Then maybe more powerful versions with pallette swap appears as a boss (it's Doc Oc, with RED HAIR!). And so on and so on until the final evil foozle (let's say, Dr. Doom) appears. The end. If there are more than one Spidey, then give a global boost to the monsters HP. Or global boost to speed. Or maybe +damage to bullets. Zzzzzzzzz....
I mean yes something like that has been done and it has some uses, but overall I'm kind of getting sick of it. It's really nothing more than the same old fight a rat to level up to fight a snake to level up to fight a bigger baddie etc etc etc, but scaled sloppily to give the impression that it adjusts when there's more than one player. It does adjust, but it doesn't adjust very well I think.
But taking another look at the comic book style example, there's another way of doing it that I personally find more interesting. A lone and level 1 Spiderman might be facing the normal thugs, but when Spidey levels up or another hero joins up, those thugs don't get a global boost. They might get better body armor let's say, but their bullets will not be any faster or more lethal, but they certainly won't be any slower or less deadlier. Instead a mafia boss might show up. He won't be boosted by brute force high HP or anything like that. His power might be he has better AI, and he can organize the thugs, so as a group they might have smarter tactics.
When 3 or more heroes join up, then perhaps a more super-powered villain might show up. The previous thugs and mobs may or may not recede back, maybe this new baddie has his own henchmen.
When 4 or more starts banding together, a trio of super villains might appear.
When 5 decides to form a League of Justice, and has enough power combined it might attract the attention of a big foozle like say oh, the purple planet eater like Galactus.
For the players who wants to do a solo vs super, set up something like a Danger Room where you can do such a scenario. And maybe set up a holo-version of other team mates. Or if the player\hero becomes strong enough maybe a trio of villains may decide they need to take the hero out.
Now the above are obviously just a rough idea and examples, but I don't see why it can't be applied to something like Diablo. I'm not current on all the 'vijah' games, so hell maybe there already is a game that has a scaling scheme like this. But I really have no interest in seeing yet another rehash of scaling a la D2.
Then on that particular note, I think the whole difficulty scaling scheme was good for what it was, but I have no particular interest in seeing it repeated in something like the next gen Diablo\Diablo like games.
I wish I can see more and better examples of dealing and ramping up difficulty in relation with the number and power of players. The usual (and I think a bit dated and tired by now) way of progression might be something like the player starts out as Spiderman let's say. The first type of enemies he will face is probably low level bandits and thugs. Then it goes to maybe more lethal and faster thugs with deadlier bullets. Then technologically enhanced villains starts to appear. Then maybe more powerful versions with pallette swap appears as a boss (it's Doc Oc, with RED HAIR!). And so on and so on until the final evil foozle (let's say, Dr. Doom) appears. The end. If there are more than one Spidey, then give a global boost to the monsters HP. Or global boost to speed. Or maybe +damage to bullets. Zzzzzzzzz....
I mean yes something like that has been done and it has some uses, but overall I'm kind of getting sick of it. It's really nothing more than the same old fight a rat to level up to fight a snake to level up to fight a bigger baddie etc etc etc, but scaled sloppily to give the impression that it adjusts when there's more than one player. It does adjust, but it doesn't adjust very well I think.
But taking another look at the comic book style example, there's another way of doing it that I personally find more interesting. A lone and level 1 Spiderman might be facing the normal thugs, but when Spidey levels up or another hero joins up, those thugs don't get a global boost. They might get better body armor let's say, but their bullets will not be any faster or more lethal, but they certainly won't be any slower or less deadlier. Instead a mafia boss might show up. He won't be boosted by brute force high HP or anything like that. His power might be he has better AI, and he can organize the thugs, so as a group they might have smarter tactics.
When 3 or more heroes join up, then perhaps a more super-powered villain might show up. The previous thugs and mobs may or may not recede back, maybe this new baddie has his own henchmen.
When 4 or more starts banding together, a trio of super villains might appear.
When 5 decides to form a League of Justice, and has enough power combined it might attract the attention of a big foozle like say oh, the purple planet eater like Galactus.
For the players who wants to do a solo vs super, set up something like a Danger Room where you can do such a scenario. And maybe set up a holo-version of other team mates. Or if the player\hero becomes strong enough maybe a trio of villains may decide they need to take the hero out.
Now the above are obviously just a rough idea and examples, but I don't see why it can't be applied to something like Diablo. I'm not current on all the 'vijah' games, so hell maybe there already is a game that has a scaling scheme like this. But I really have no interest in seeing yet another rehash of scaling a la D2.