2.1.0 Patch Notes

[Quark]

As Quark said, any class can top the meters, it depends on if you are willing to make the effort to get there or not. There are tools out there that can help a Hunter do more DPS and still have longevity the question is, are you willing to give up some of your AP and/or Crit to do it?

Don't twist my meaning. I said if you stack the raid for the hunter. That means you're not stacking the raid for superior classes. Grace of Air totem? Just means another warrior is missing Windfury. Shadow priest? The mana regen serves warlocks and mages better. When you stack the raid for the hunters to lead DPS, you're sacrificing overall DPS.

Also, while I only skim the EJ Hunter threads, pretty much everyone I've seen doing the theorycrafting (mainly Lactose) states that AP/crit will always beat out intel/mp5. They do not offset the mana issues enough for the lost damage to be worth it.

You do realize that this is the case for pretty much all classes? For most classes the Tier 4 and 5 sets suck. So this is nothing new that Hunters would see that their Tier 4 and 5 sets suck as well.

Everyone complains about Tier4/Tier5. Most people are wrong. Is it enough of an upgrade (I'm talking pure item level)? No. Did they mess up some ilvl conversions? Yes. But wait for 2.1 to see if that's still the case. Are the stats distributed properly? Excluding minor examples, yes.

Stop comparing it to Tailoring. Tailoring was the dumbest move Blizzard could have made -> they made "perfectly" distributed gear, and then use school specific (cheaper) instead of +all spell damage. If you have any "perfect" gear in the game, it forces all later gear to be perfect in order to have progression. All gear being perfect would be boring as hell, with no chance for deviation.

Hunters are the exception, because Blizzard is trying to fix a class flaw - longevity - with itemization. You can't do that. When you try, that's when you get dodge on Rogue gear.

No Mirajj, it's not "your" DPS, it's the "team's" DPS that is important. There's a big difference there. If the team is to succeed the DPS of the team needs to be maximized, this does not mean that every single DPSer has to be doing maximum DPS, but they do have to bring something to boost the DPS of the other team members. BM and Surivival do this, MM really doesn't.

We argued about this when 2.0 was first announced. You claimed Survival would come out on top because of Expose Weakness. I said no way, the lost DPS wouldn't make up for it. All the Hunters did their testing, and ended up choosing between BM and MM, completely abandoning Survival. So now I'm more behind on Hunters, but show me why the new Expose Weakness makes up for the DPS loss.

Show me how raid DPS goes up with a Survival hunter instead of a Marksman or BM.