2.1.0 Patch Notes
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Quote:Both specs will have them, and all things being equal, Fury will benefit more from Battle shout (via Improved Berserker Stance).

And you'll still miss out on Enrage, Flurry, Impale and Deep Wounds.

Regardless, the Battle shout buff simply doesn't matter for the purposes of the calculation; the AP in the example is speculative in the first place. It can be set to 100 or 10000, doesn't really matter.

It does matter. Prot scales much better with AP up until it gets to the point where you can use rage every cooldown. Afterwards Fury scales better. Also, white damage scales slightly better with AP in a Fury build.

Deep wounds in a DW build isn't a huge deal. it's about 2% of total damage. Less than a 2H build because of the quick attacks (DW overwrites itself) and the lower MH weapon damage.


Quote:Improved Berserker Stance is more effective than Vitality in that it affects total attack power and Vitality only affects strength. I'm not sure how you arrive at a *loss* in attack power from this.

Let's assume for sake of ease that all the attack power is from strength, save the buff, obviously. That means a total 1940 attack power in Berserker Stance and 1750 in Battle Stance. Also, what's that 1.1 modifier you've added?

Whatever the attack power is with prot, it will be lower with Fury. The 250 is rampage, the 1.1 is imp. berserker.

Quote:Eh, what? There's plenty of time for global cooldown in between the Whirlwind and the second BT. No need for jumping through hoops like that.

Eventually you will end up doing a WW directly after a BT. At this point your BT cooldown will coincide with the WW cooldown. 12 seconds after BT, your BT will cooldown, and 11.5 seconds later WW will cooldown. At this poin thte proper thing to do for max damage is to BT instead of WW. At this point WW effectively becomes usable every 12 seconds, because it's always going to happen directly after a BT.

Quote:You're completely disregarding Deep Wounds, which procs off both white and yellow damage.
And as I said before, that's not my estimation. You've neglected to regard crits at all--and the Fury build gets Deep Wounds, Impale and Flurry from crits.

My white damage estimation do, in fact, take flurry into account. Deep wounds is a small factor that I ignore. I've found through empirical testing, it's around 2-3% of total on DW builds and 3-5% total on 2H.
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2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Mirajj - 04-13-2007, 04:52 AM
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