Moral Panic — from anti-commie to anti-nazi

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Finally, while Asians have dealt with much discrimination, they also haven't had an entire society attempt to destroy them socially and culturally through years of Jim Crow, preventing slaves from reading, portray them as beastly and anti-intellectual and generally taking a dump on anything cultural black people could call their own.

China has done that to Tibet.

Should have probably only referred to this in the context of the US based racism and Asian Americans, but sure. It's a decent parallel.

And of course nobody really kills Chinese people and destroys their culture like Chinese people themselves (burn the books and sometimes the scholars with them!), but that's another story!

Well, first off, Asian people might be better off economically, but they just suffer racism in different forms. I mean, they're one of the few remaining people where it's still okay to make fun of, and used in the model minority paradigm to justify racism against other races "eg, Asians can do it, so can you", thus fitting in the "divide and conquer" strategy they use against minorities as a whole. You keep the poor fighting and hating each other over scraps, and you keep them under control.

Secondly, it would be interesting to look at Asian immigrants (which do bring a lot of wealth and tradition over) vs African immigrants to control for a few things.

Finally, while Asians have dealt with much discrimination, they also haven't had an entire society attempt to destroy them socially and culturally through years of Jim Crow, preventing slaves from reading, portray them as beastly and anti-intellectual and generally taking a dump on anything cultural black people could call their own. And of course a drug war in a nation that loves imprisonment, destroying their families and communities. Nixon wanted to destroy black people along with the poor, and he sure did a great job.

Though I take that back a little. Japan did try to destroy other Asian countries in that manner in their brief reign of terror. And of course, all the western countries did during imperialism. Not exactly good role models.

None of this is of any use to taem. But was it really racially motivated, or was it morally bankrupt people trying to abuse their position as customers against someone at their job? I'm sure someone around here should see it as oppression of a certain other kind.

The early Chinese immigrants were pretty much slave labor. The Japanese were pretty badly treated during and after WW II. I’d never deny that those former slaves didn’t have a steep mountain to overcome, and many have.

Everyone has, and I'm not trying to go through which mountain is higher. But it most certainly is apples and oranges.

Yeah, I am the Donald’s immigration nightmare, filling those high paying tech jobs with highly qualified foreigners who are thrilled to try the adventure, or want to become new citizens. I understand the advantages of a borderless global economy.

Well, Donald thinks that immigrants steal jobs (that people here wouldn't do anyways). Funny how so many on the Right has come to seek the help of big government when it turns out they are not competitive in in the edgy Darwinist fantasy world they cooked up. Someone wants to work more for less, well, obviously you'd hire them.

And perhaps it's my own frustration with dealing with people and that is that so many people want to just phone it home and never account for anything. There's like no self-accountability. I mean, I had some idiot with a business offer call me the other day asking when could we talk since I said I was busy. I was like next week, and they were like "i'll talk to you tomorrow, since...". I'm just thinking to myself, "The fuck?". You don't get to fucking decide this when you're trying to sell something to me. Naturally hung up really fast and this isn't an isolated incident.No manners, no respect, no intelligence. Fucking mil.... wait, I don't really know how old they were, but I suppose I'm getting old and age doesn't really cure stupid anyways. But honestly, these people deserve to fail and if immigrants take their jobs, well fuck good riddance.

Oh, and at the risk of offending people, but hey this will be complementary to Taem's , it's always a certain group of people that is more prone to do this, and well, they're not black.

The observation I would make from my friends is that yes, they do face discrimination, but good people here have their backs too, to help them succeed. Back in their countries of origin, they also faced discrimination and opportunity barriers, racial, gender, class, etc - things that mostly disappeared once they came here. Like the news, we tend to choose to focus on the bad, and ignore the good. There are flaws, but there are many more good people, and goodness in the US.

Wouild never doubt that. But this is through the hearts of the people; I am criticizing the institutions though, and of course, the state and police that constantly strive to increase their own power.

Now in my current job, every day I work with a brilliant tech analyst who emigrated from Kenya with his family when he was ten. His dad was a warehouse manager for a multi-national company and came with only with the good will of an American family that befriended and sponsored them. Now as first gen citizens, that dad, mom, his son (the one I work with) and 3 daughters are all college graduates.

That's what I've seen ancedotally as well. It almost seems the will to find a new life in a different land transcends skin color. Not surprising right? But that also means something is up here though and maybe we have failed a community or two.

You know those Chinatowns tourists love to go to? They're pretty much the hood for Chinese people (at least originally), except I guess it sells better.

In any case, this whole model minority thing tends to be yet another tool to justify racism. Now I know you aren't doing such a thing, but I have to say this idea is so commonplace that if Asians are being used as a group to justify such, then they are certainly being oppressed even if they are doing well. Maybe that just means the racists have failed, rather than any actual goodwill.