Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken
(06-19-2012, 03:32 PM)MongoJerry Wrote: I believe I have been very consistent with the points I have made:

1. The game is hard, because players don't have the gear necessary to match the level of damage output or health that the mobs have.
2. Initially, this was the players' faults because they were rushing ahead in Inferno without spending enough time farming in the current act. (Those who claimed that the game was broken before Inferno simply needed to l2p).
3. However, it is possible that the gear needed to play well in the upper levels of Inferno doesn't exist, yet.
4. My conjecture has always been that Blizzard will release additional gear along the way, which will amount to a "nerf" of Inferno.
5. If you feel like you are banging your head against the wall, stop. Either go back to an earlier level to see if you can gear up better there, start up a new character, start up a hardcore character, finish off achievements, or try out the Lurker Lounge tournament. Basically, do something else until Blizzard starts releasing the next batch of gear.

What have we learned since then?

1. Through herculean efforts of goblin farming, a few select people have been able to finish Inferno in hardcore, although even with all of their efforts, it's still not easy for them.
2. Blizzard is nerfing the health and damage output of mobs in upper Inferno.
3. Blizzard is making it easier to obtain better gear in lower acts of Inferno and in Act III/IV hell.
4. Blizzard is making it cheaper to craft items.
5. Changes are coming in 1.1 to player skills to make more builds viable and to make legendary items stronger.

So, basically, all of your "sky is falling" pronouncements that Diablo III is a big scam to get people to use the RMAH and that if you don't use it, you won't be able to finish the game were complete farces. People will use the RMAH, if they want to, just like people used 3rd-party sites to get items in Diablo II and WoW. At least at this rate, these players will know that they will get their item securely and that they won't get scammed or have their battlenet accounts broken into by purveyors of those sites. However, if you don't want to use the RMAH and are not obsessed with owning the best roll of the best item in every equipment slot, then you will still be able to progress and eventually beat the game, albeit at a slower pace than someone who did use the RMAH.

However, please tell me, as I am clearly an ignorant person, maybe there is a mechanic used in Inferno that I am not aware of. Perhaps a souped-up version of the Butcher appears randomly and chases your character around the zone if you haven't spent $100 on the RMAH?

You keep mentioning that players do not have the items required to play well in Inferno, and that these items may not currently exist in the game yet.
Why isn't this considered as a huge flaw in the game itself, as it is thus not winnable through normal means.
Some people have beaten the game yes, but only through exploits, or such extreme amounts of farming which even your "average" Diablo fanatic cannot muster.

If you don't wish to have your player base complaining about issues such as this, you simply can't release such a difficulty and not give them the means to beat it.
Telling them to keep farming in the lower areas and wait for the next patch that might bring better items (or might not) simply doesn't cut it.
The content is available in the game, and people will want to attempt to beat it, this is human nature.

Also, beating Diablo on Inferno, while it is a feat, it is far from the real issue, as the challenge lies with the elite/champion packs that can often spawn with impossible to beat combinations no matter how good your gear is, except perhaps for those rare few in the very top percentile.

As for mechanics:

-Damage/HP on enemies disproportionate to player HP/damage values that are realistically attainable even for enthusiast players: simply completely different from anything up to Hell
-Unfair elite modifier combinations, or attacks that are unfair to begin with such as the charge attack on Oppressors (or a boss pack of Oppressors for double the fun)
-"Enrage" timers (I'd rather see them call it "game-over" timers)
-Bosses regenerating to full HP

Most of these things are already present in the earlier difficulties, but you don't notice them as much as the game is perfectly playable and beatable up to Hell, it is Inferno act 2 where people start to notice the unfairness, and if they somehow manage to make it beyond, the numbers are even more out of scale thereafter.
It is simply frustrating to the player to die to ridiculous attacks that are nigh unavoidable.

One example of such an attack:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla...Jp14STmANU

I read that Blizzard is lowering the damage on these creatures in specific and overall in A2-4, which is good as it shows they listen to their players, but people who have been getting killed by this kind of bullshit are unsurprisingly not happy about it.
And then when someone who has not even tried Inferno yet keeps telling others to learn to play better or get better items (which don't exist!), it is also not surprising that people lash out back at you.

I am sorry that I'm writing a post such as this as a new member and I do not mean to be offensive, but I felt it had to be said.
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Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by smegged - 06-06-2012, 01:28 PM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Bolty - 06-06-2012, 01:50 PM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Bolty - 06-18-2012, 01:00 PM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Tal - 06-18-2012, 03:37 PM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Tal - 06-19-2012, 12:56 PM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Trevan - 06-18-2012, 05:31 PM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Bolty - 06-18-2012, 06:27 PM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Trevan - 06-18-2012, 06:40 PM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by smegged - 06-06-2012, 02:06 PM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by FoxBat - 06-06-2012, 02:39 PM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Yricyn - 06-06-2012, 06:49 PM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Quark - 06-06-2012, 07:31 PM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Trevan - 06-06-2012, 08:57 PM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Roland - 06-07-2012, 12:23 AM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Trevan - 06-07-2012, 12:49 AM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Roland - 06-07-2012, 05:04 AM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by smegged - 06-06-2012, 10:14 PM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by FoxBat - 06-07-2012, 12:00 PM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Quark - 06-07-2012, 11:13 AM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by MMAgCh - 06-07-2012, 04:28 AM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by smegged - 06-10-2012, 01:29 AM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Kurosu - 06-10-2012, 04:22 AM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by FoxBat - 06-10-2012, 07:48 AM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Mavfin - 06-10-2012, 08:01 PM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by FoxBat - 06-11-2012, 01:45 AM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by smegged - 06-10-2012, 05:26 AM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Treesh - 06-11-2012, 01:29 AM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Treesh - 06-11-2012, 01:38 AM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Treesh - 06-11-2012, 07:08 AM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Roland - 06-12-2012, 11:13 AM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by FoxBat - 06-12-2012, 02:15 PM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Lissa - 06-12-2012, 02:22 PM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Ruvanal - 06-16-2012, 01:09 AM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Bolty - 06-15-2012, 01:26 PM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Roland - 06-15-2012, 01:38 PM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Mavfin - 06-17-2012, 02:10 AM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Jester - 06-17-2012, 10:55 AM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Mavfin - 06-17-2012, 05:03 AM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by FoxBat - 06-17-2012, 02:50 PM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Jester - 06-17-2012, 04:07 PM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Athenau - 06-17-2012, 03:24 PM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by FoxBat - 06-18-2012, 12:34 AM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by smegged - 06-18-2012, 10:31 AM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Yricyn - 06-18-2012, 01:07 PM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Taelas - 06-18-2012, 04:14 PM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Quark - 06-18-2012, 06:42 PM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Trevan - 06-18-2012, 06:46 PM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Roland - 06-19-2012, 12:53 AM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Mavfin - 06-19-2012, 01:09 AM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Mirajj - 06-19-2012, 04:18 AM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by DeeBye - 06-19-2012, 04:28 AM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Trevan - 06-19-2012, 09:15 AM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Bolty - 06-19-2012, 12:15 PM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Bolty - 06-19-2012, 01:24 PM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Tal - 06-19-2012, 01:28 PM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Tal - 06-19-2012, 03:11 PM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Bolty - 06-19-2012, 04:53 PM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Trevan - 06-19-2012, 08:20 PM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by DeeBye - 06-20-2012, 02:18 AM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by LavCat - 06-20-2012, 02:59 AM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Lissa - 07-10-2012, 02:49 AM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Lissa - 07-10-2012, 03:31 AM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Kurosu - 06-20-2012, 12:43 AM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Yricyn - 06-19-2012, 12:20 PM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by FoxBat - 06-19-2012, 10:13 PM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Trevan - 06-19-2012, 10:28 PM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Taelas - 06-20-2012, 01:26 AM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Roland - 06-20-2012, 01:38 AM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Trevan - 06-20-2012, 03:10 AM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Mavfin - 06-20-2012, 04:21 AM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Bolty - 06-20-2012, 01:16 PM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Lissa - 06-21-2012, 12:41 AM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by DeeBye - 06-21-2012, 02:43 AM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Trevan - 06-21-2012, 05:51 AM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Bolty - 06-21-2012, 12:47 PM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Jester - 06-21-2012, 02:51 PM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Trevan - 06-23-2012, 07:58 PM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by smegged - 06-23-2012, 12:32 PM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Quark - 06-23-2012, 01:32 PM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Lissa - 06-23-2012, 03:22 PM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Treesh - 06-24-2012, 12:58 PM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by smegged - 06-24-2012, 10:17 PM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Athenau - 06-24-2012, 11:10 PM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Yricyn - 06-25-2012, 05:26 PM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Ashock - 06-25-2012, 07:21 PM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Yricyn - 06-25-2012, 08:44 PM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Lissa - 06-27-2012, 04:29 AM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Treesh - 06-29-2012, 08:28 AM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by RTM - 06-30-2012, 02:03 PM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Mavfin - 06-30-2012, 05:33 PM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by smegged - 07-01-2012, 06:04 AM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Treesh - 07-01-2012, 08:17 AM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Quark - 07-01-2012, 08:55 PM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Quark - 07-02-2012, 01:26 AM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Bolty - 07-02-2012, 04:25 PM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Mavfin - 07-03-2012, 03:39 PM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Treesh - 07-03-2012, 12:46 PM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Kurosu - 07-06-2012, 10:27 PM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by smegged - 07-10-2012, 12:45 AM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by LavCat - 07-10-2012, 03:59 AM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Lissa - 07-10-2012, 04:41 PM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Kurosu - 07-10-2012, 05:22 PM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by smegged - 07-12-2012, 12:17 PM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Yricyn - 07-12-2012, 04:05 PM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by smegged - 07-12-2012, 09:55 PM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Athenau - 07-13-2012, 04:50 PM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Quark - 07-13-2012, 11:41 AM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Mavfin - 09-17-2013, 06:41 PM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Bolty - 09-17-2013, 06:47 PM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by Kurosu - 09-18-2013, 08:00 PM
RE: Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken - by smegged - 04-17-2014, 02:34 AM

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