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Quote:Two more questions:

1) If your rogue is working with zero resists anyway, why not use a Gotterdamerong?
2) What happens in WvR if your rogue really goes for max AC. If the rogue has 385 AC (the max according to Jarulf, although as far as I can tell it should be 387.5 - AFP precision = 187.5, Godly Shield = 60, Gotter = 60 + 400/5 (dexterity = 250 base + 90 jewels + 20 armor + 20 sword + 20 helm) and the warrior doesn´t have the triple gold/perfection combo then the warrior won´t have auto-hit. Of course this requires using a shield, in which case the warrior can cast spells as the rogue won´t have a bow available. Maybe that answers my question, but truth be told, given that the warrior will only really be able to do damage casting spells, and rogues cast faster the rogue should win. I should point out that the rogue actually will have to lose a bit of AC if she wants to have resists as well, but it should still be possible to get close - unid´d Gott and one jade/obsidian jewel and one emmy/obsidian sword of precision should leave her with 383.5 AC if I am counting correctly.

To answer the questions from your first post, "technically" if the warr can get close and he has auto-hit, he will usually win, especially if the rogue happends to have low mana at the time (meaning she hasnt drank a pot to refill her mana globe), but remember, walking downward helps a player escape from stunlock. So yes, the rogue must keep her distance from the warr, and she can do this effectively by using a tactic called auto-aim, which involves teleporting/phasing combind with attacking.

Rogue vs Warrior duels are quit entertaining, and my fav type of duel to do (from either side). Typically, the warrior probably wins a little more often due to desync issues. But a good rogue that is fast and unpredictable is never an easy opponent. As for switching to shield during the duel, switching gear during duels is often frowned upon....its not considered good etiquette. Some rogues do prefer to duel a warrior using a sword/shield, but most of the great PvP rogues use a bow. Becoming a great pvp bow rogue takes a huge amount of practice, but this is really the proper way to duel as a rogue in my opinion. And besides, bow rogue vs warr is a much more fun duel then sword rogue vs warrior. To me, a bow rogues movements in pvp, when executed properly, are one of the most beautiful sights in d1.

Regarding use of Gotter, i dont like this helm. As you know this really darkens the dungeon up when equipped, and while this maybe effective in certain pvm situations, its not a particularly good idea in pvp vs a warrior. Royal Circlet is really the way to go, gives nice ac, +10 to all, and the 40 mana is really nice too.

A rogue going for max ac is wasting her time if you ask me. For one, a warrior with a really nice strange haste, 3 gold jewels, and a obs precision plate of sorts will still be able to hit her. And while he will be seriously gimped, she kinda will be also. For one, she would be using perfection jewels instead of zodis, which will greatly reduce her mana, hp, and casting ability. And if you want to use a shield on rogue, Storm is preferable as the rogue lacks fast block with a Godly shield. And in this case, having the 0 resists might not be a good idea as she will lack a physical ranged attack. And weapons like Emerald haste or precision on swords are only good novelty items, they are totally useless in pvp (and pvm really for that matter too). Rogue should stick with kings haste always. But if a rogue really wants to use sword/shield AND have resists, she may as well go low and get much higher attributes and mana points. I know a great rogue dueler from Japan (Emelaldo) who uses low ac with a shield rogue in duels often. I believe his set up is something as follows: Obsidian Harmony mail, Storm Shield, Kings Haste, Thinking Cap, 2 x drag zodi, and a drags wiz for extra high casting ability. He gets around 450 mana, with lvl 17 fireball, fast block, and with kings haste and fastest hit recovery. Sure he is low ac, but when using shield with perfect block, he doesnt really need the high ac. For a bow rogue however, using low ac is a serious handicap and puts her at a big disadvantage vs warr, even if she has superior items and is higher lvl. The whole idea of a high ac rogue is to force the warrior to use strange and gold jewels, reducing not only his damage, but his mana and hp points as well.

all in all, bow rogue vs warr duels are among the most exciting things you can do on d1. The onus is on the warrior to get close, while the rogue must be fast, unpredictable, and very aggressive in order to beat the warrior, especially if he is patient. These duels are very doubled edged, cause the warr cannot afford to be reckless and overly aggressive against a quick and cunning rogue. For the rogue, she must be precise and aggressive, yet one mistake can be fatal.

Here is a video of me dueling with my rogue vs Emelaldo's warrior. There are two (3 if you include the short duel vs the sorc) duels in this video, one of which i lose, the other i win. Watch both of them as you can see how each side wins. In the first duel, I make a mistake in one of my teleports and it is a fatal one...but in the second duel I move much sharper and execute the auto-aim tactic perfectly which results in a win for me, despite a mistake at the end in which i recover. I suggest you watch it in high quality, full screen. The video was recorded by Emelaldo, so you will be seeing these duels from his point of view, thus what you are seeing isnt necessarily the same as what was taking place on my screen. Enjoy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ln98Icy01pk...re=channel_page
https://www.youtube.com/user/FireIceTalon


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