03-05-2003, 02:20 AM
Some comments. yes, it is indeed as said no problem to compy someone else's items. I don't think scanners in general has that feature built in though.
You can't mess arround with another players character. I think in earlier versions that the hos of a game could, but that was changed.
I am really only aware of one scanner and that is Moe's. From what I know, it should work VERY well and reliable. The problem is the users of it that are not reliable or "working" well. Typically missunderstanding the info.
Also, the so called common dupe lists are really not that good idea. Sure, it is pretty much usefull, but due to how the game works, dupes are created constantly within the very same game. Usually it is gold or "no item" dupes, and when it is actual items it will often be unnoticed ones that are not good (it is always two or more items found on different, subseequent, levels). IN addition games started on the same time (with only second precision) are COMPLETE dupes of each other.
SInce the scanner also detect duped potions (for example shoped in town and they VERY often turn out as dupes), people mistake that too.
It is not possible to simply change the seed (the "code") of an item without morphing it. That would mean changing it to one that gives the exact same item which would basically be recreating it from scratch. I am not aware of any such wide spread program and was always amazed no one made one (Jamella finally did but for D2). It was dead simple to make a program that simply tried seeds until one was found that gave the desired item. I myself made such a program as part of seeing if I understood item creation correctly. It could basically test more than 100k seeds per second and it was thus easy to create ANY item in the game at will (I obviously never used it for other than testing purposes). I believe for example Crystalion did too and I know of at least one other person).
As for the permanent uniques, like Demonspike helm and such, the only reason it works is that for some strange reason (and I told Blizzard it would be trivial to fix it), the game will not match the unique with the base item it is supposed to belong to, if the base item is a quest item. Thus you simply base those unqiues on some quest item and presto, non morphing uniques of arbritary choise. That is the reason why you find such items for any item type except shields, there is no quest shields. That is also why most such helms for example has hiddden life steal, since they are often based on the undad crown and so on.
Hmm, probably forgot a few things I wanted to say :)
You can't mess arround with another players character. I think in earlier versions that the hos of a game could, but that was changed.
I am really only aware of one scanner and that is Moe's. From what I know, it should work VERY well and reliable. The problem is the users of it that are not reliable or "working" well. Typically missunderstanding the info.
Also, the so called common dupe lists are really not that good idea. Sure, it is pretty much usefull, but due to how the game works, dupes are created constantly within the very same game. Usually it is gold or "no item" dupes, and when it is actual items it will often be unnoticed ones that are not good (it is always two or more items found on different, subseequent, levels). IN addition games started on the same time (with only second precision) are COMPLETE dupes of each other.
SInce the scanner also detect duped potions (for example shoped in town and they VERY often turn out as dupes), people mistake that too.
It is not possible to simply change the seed (the "code") of an item without morphing it. That would mean changing it to one that gives the exact same item which would basically be recreating it from scratch. I am not aware of any such wide spread program and was always amazed no one made one (Jamella finally did but for D2). It was dead simple to make a program that simply tried seeds until one was found that gave the desired item. I myself made such a program as part of seeing if I understood item creation correctly. It could basically test more than 100k seeds per second and it was thus easy to create ANY item in the game at will (I obviously never used it for other than testing purposes). I believe for example Crystalion did too and I know of at least one other person).
As for the permanent uniques, like Demonspike helm and such, the only reason it works is that for some strange reason (and I told Blizzard it would be trivial to fix it), the game will not match the unique with the base item it is supposed to belong to, if the base item is a quest item. Thus you simply base those unqiues on some quest item and presto, non morphing uniques of arbritary choise. That is the reason why you find such items for any item type except shields, there is no quest shields. That is also why most such helms for example has hiddden life steal, since they are often based on the undad crown and so on.
Hmm, probably forgot a few things I wanted to say :)
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