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Now the question how much lead distance was used to make a 'pass' and was it very consistent (doubtful as there was not a reason to think it was necessary).
I did leave some room between me and the wendigos. Not because I expected some lead attacks, but because I didn't want to accidently start a WW "inside" the wendigo.
Which is why I was assuming that you had left some starting distance in the first place. But at the same time why would you consistently leave a large starting distance to get past the initial 4 and 8 frame check points if you did not know that they existed?
[color]Well, do you suggest I should do the tests again, this time using longer range weapons and more distance to the wendigo when starting ? The missing caps should be measurable that way, right ?[/color]
That was an earlier though of mine until Hammerman listed this:
Quote:Not sure if you realised it or not... but the range within wich the game selects targets is not based on the weapon. It finds targets within a 5 tile unit radius (note the push 5 before the call), and then proceeds to attack the target. If the attack failed (eg because the monster was out of weapon range), it still switches weapons.
This to me indicates that no matter what the weapon range is in the MPQ files that game is going to use a 5 tile unit radius for the game checks. You might check for that, but it does match my in game experience with which monster do seem to be getting hit (distance from character, no matter the weapon in hand).
If you want, you could try looking for those other low speed breaks by making sure that you are far enough from the target so that you will not get the 4 and 8 frame checks into the hit count. Off hand I do not think that most player will really care that much as it is not a desirable speed range to be working off of in the first place. To that point here is the charts that I listed earlier extended out to a larger frame count range.
1hs (will cover all barbarian one handed attacks and all swords one or two handed use)
frame
delay___WIAS-WSM
16______-39 and lower
14______-38 to -31
12______-30 to -20
10______-19 to -11
8_______-10 to +7
6_______+8 to +33
4_______+34 and higher
2ht or stf (covers all the barbarian two handed weapons except for swords)
frame
delay___WIAS-WSM
16______-27 and lower
14______-26 to -18
12______-17 to -5
10______-4 to +5
8_______+6 to +26
6_______+27 to +58
4_______+59 and higher
*Note: you normally will be able to get lower than -20 in the game unless dealing with game modified weapon speeds.
frame_____16_____14_____12_____10_____8______6______4
4_________xx_____xx_____xx_____xx_____xx_____xx_____xx
8_________xx_____xx_____xx_____xx_____xx_____xx_____xx
12________-______-______-______-______-______-______xx
16________-______-______-______-______xx_____xx_____xx
20________-______-______xx_____xx_____-______xx_____xx
24________xx_____xx_____-______-______xx_____-______xx
28________-______-______-______xx_____-______xx_____xx
32________-______-______xx_____-______xx_____xx_____xx
36________-______xx_____-______-______-______-______xx
40________xx_____-______-______xx_____xx_____xx_____xx
44________-______-______xx_____-______-______xx_____xx
48________-______-______-______xx_____xx_____-______xx
52________-______xx_____-______-______-______xx_____xx
56________xx_____-______xx_____-______xx_____xx_____xx
You still may not be able to tease out the lowest speeds due to there being very little difference in when they should be hitting during a 24 frame interval in the section that I have listed here.
Rivo over at AB as done a nice graphic listing of the range for character to target.
http://www.theamazonbasin.com/d2/forums/in...ST&f=54&t=26279
Of course these speed difference effects may come into play in v1.10 if there are items that will allow other classes to Whirlwind also. If barbs can turn into a WereWolf why not let some other classes do a barb trick? (Whirlwind Werebear -> Tazmanian Devil?)
edit: hit send instead of preview various corrections.