Anyone have Moomba's Trainer?
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Quote: #1: The question is not irrelevant. The nonsense of bugs is what strikes us first.

That does not mean that something is a bug just because it does not make alot of sense. Many things don't make much sense in Diablo and are no bugs. There is a difference between a bug and bad game design.

Quote:#2: Appearently, I don't need facts to support my opinion. All what's necessary is that it can possibly be a bug, to say that it perhaps could be a bug.

Pretty much anything in the game 'could possibly' be a bug (maybe the whole existance of the sorceror character class is a bug ? Who knows for sure ?). It makes no sense to assume that anything that 'could possibly' be a bug in fact is one.

Quote:They are there only to support my theory that in the eyes of some person that isn't focused only on long established bugs and repeats such buglists mindlessly, other game features could seem to be bugs as well.

Noone doubts that humans make errors. But just because something seems to be a bug in the eyes of one particular person, that does not mean it actually is a bug.

Quote:#4: I don't know how to dupe or get into god mode. Clear up what you mean, you seem to know the ropes. If these methods can be applied without having to alter code, I stick to my statement.

You can dupe by picking up an item in a certain way. You can get into god mode by casting a certain spell under certain conditions. If you do not consider these things and similiar abuses cheating, the question wether something is cheating or not becomes completely meaningless and you have to coin a new term to describe that abusive way of playing the game. As others have pointed out, the relevance of wether something is cheating or not is that players need a way to define 'is he playing by the same rules as I do ?'.

The term 'cheating' is useful because it differentiates between two very different ways of playing the game. If the term was used as you suggest it, it would only differentiate between two different methods (using bugs/loopholes and using third party programs and the like) of abusive playing.

If you don't label duping cheating, the term 'cheating' becomes completely useless. On the other hand, I don't care if you use a program to dupe or if you do it by abusing a bug in the game. It is both equally cheating to me.

Quote:Think about it. According to you, setting a game difficulty from 'normal' to 'easy' is probably cheating, too.

No.
However, if the other players rightfully assume you are playing on 'hard', then it is cheating. Another example: If completing the game on 'easy' and on 'hard' grants different awards and you abuse a loophole in the game to get the rewards for 'hard' by playing on 'easy', then you are cheating.

There is a pretty nice description of the term 'cheating' as used in computer gaming in the German Wikipedia, you should read it:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheat
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Anyone have Moomba's Trainer? - by jfb392 - 06-26-2004, 01:36 PM
Anyone have Moomba's Trainer? - by LemmingofGlory - 06-26-2004, 01:51 PM
Anyone have Moomba's Trainer? - by Thecla - 07-03-2004, 06:24 AM
Anyone have Moomba's Trainer? - by Urza-DSF - 07-03-2004, 06:34 AM
Anyone have Moomba's Trainer? - by Urza-DSF - 07-03-2004, 06:37 AM
Anyone have Moomba's Trainer? - by Thecla - 07-03-2004, 06:44 AM
Anyone have Moomba's Trainer? - by Urza-DSF - 07-03-2004, 08:34 AM
Anyone have Moomba's Trainer? - by LemmingofGlory - 07-03-2004, 02:29 PM
Anyone have Moomba's Trainer? - by Malakar - 07-03-2004, 05:37 PM
Anyone have Moomba's Trainer? - by Obi2Kenobi - 07-03-2004, 08:04 PM
Anyone have Moomba's Trainer? - by skana - 07-03-2004, 08:07 PM
Anyone have Moomba's Trainer? - by Moldran - 07-04-2004, 07:53 AM
Anyone have Moomba's Trainer? - by Fragbait - 07-05-2004, 12:42 PM
Anyone have Moomba's Trainer? - by Nystul - 07-05-2004, 01:40 PM
Anyone have Moomba's Trainer? - by Sabra - 07-05-2004, 09:00 PM
Anyone have Moomba's Trainer? - by Urza-DSF - 07-06-2004, 10:01 AM
Anyone have Moomba's Trainer? - by Nystul - 07-06-2004, 10:25 AM
Anyone have Moomba's Trainer? - by LemmingofGlory - 07-06-2004, 02:41 PM
Anyone have Moomba's Trainer? - by --Pete - 07-06-2004, 04:29 PM
Anyone have Moomba's Trainer? - by Fragbait - 07-06-2004, 04:38 PM
Anyone have Moomba's Trainer? - by Lord_Olf - 07-06-2004, 05:24 PM
Anyone have Moomba's Trainer? - by Nystul - 07-07-2004, 10:32 AM
Anyone have Moomba's Trainer? - by Fragbait - 07-07-2004, 12:14 PM
Anyone have Moomba's Trainer? - by Moldran - 07-07-2004, 12:28 PM
Anyone have Moomba's Trainer? - by Fragbait - 07-07-2004, 12:57 PM
Anyone have Moomba's Trainer? - by Moldran - 07-07-2004, 01:24 PM
Anyone have Moomba's Trainer? - by Fragbait - 07-07-2004, 01:46 PM
Anyone have Moomba's Trainer? - by Moldran - 07-07-2004, 02:19 PM
Anyone have Moomba's Trainer? - by Fragbait - 07-07-2004, 02:41 PM
Anyone have Moomba's Trainer? - by Moldran - 07-07-2004, 03:40 PM
Anyone have Moomba's Trainer? - by LemmingofGlory - 07-07-2004, 03:57 PM
Anyone have Moomba's Trainer? - by Fragbait - 07-07-2004, 04:31 PM
Anyone have Moomba's Trainer? - by Moldran - 07-07-2004, 04:52 PM
Anyone have Moomba's Trainer? - by Fragbait - 07-07-2004, 05:18 PM
Anyone have Moomba's Trainer? - by Tal - 07-07-2004, 05:49 PM
Anyone have Moomba's Trainer? - by Moldran - 07-07-2004, 06:02 PM
Anyone have Moomba's Trainer? - by Fragbait - 07-07-2004, 06:09 PM
Anyone have Moomba's Trainer? - by Fragbait - 07-07-2004, 06:12 PM
Anyone have Moomba's Trainer? - by --Pete - 07-07-2004, 06:36 PM
Anyone have Moomba's Trainer? - by LemmingofGlory - 07-07-2004, 06:40 PM
Anyone have Moomba's Trainer? - by Tal - 07-07-2004, 06:51 PM
Anyone have Moomba's Trainer? - by LemmingofGlory - 07-07-2004, 07:56 PM
Anyone have Moomba's Trainer? - by Fragbait - 07-07-2004, 08:28 PM
Anyone have Moomba's Trainer? - by Fragbait - 07-07-2004, 08:41 PM
Anyone have Moomba's Trainer? - by Fragbait - 07-07-2004, 08:56 PM
Anyone have Moomba's Trainer? - by LemmingofGlory - 07-07-2004, 11:26 PM
Anyone have Moomba's Trainer? - by Sabra - 07-08-2004, 01:36 AM
Anyone have Moomba's Trainer? - by Fragbait - 07-08-2004, 05:01 AM
Anyone have Moomba's Trainer? - by Fragbait - 07-08-2004, 05:11 AM
Anyone have Moomba's Trainer? - by Fragbait - 07-08-2004, 09:51 AM
Anyone have Moomba's Trainer? - by Nystul - 07-08-2004, 11:32 AM
Anyone have Moomba's Trainer? - by Moldran - 07-08-2004, 11:59 AM
Anyone have Moomba's Trainer? - by Fragbait - 07-08-2004, 12:11 PM
Anyone have Moomba's Trainer? - by Jarulf - 07-09-2004, 01:12 PM
Anyone have Moomba's Trainer? - by Nystul - 07-09-2004, 04:39 PM

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