2.1.0 Patch Notes
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Quote:Sorry, I was confused, I thought you meant Kara when you talked to me before. It should be noted that raid DPS will generally improve just from having more time with more sunders than in a normal 5-man. The difference between 0 sunder and 5 sunders is about 90DPS in full devastate spam mode (35 per sunder * 5 /1.5 = 117 * 0.75 (armor) = 88 DPS

Fury should also have similar "wind up" issues though, as you need time to get rampage maxed, though 250AP is probably more like 40 DPS instead of 80-90 that 5 sunders is, so it's a little better "right off the bat".

And yes, with WF totem, the prot build will have more rage than they know what to do with, while the fury build has a few more options on where to spend it. The prot build is very rage efficient, with much better rage per damage than bloodthirst, but it takes 2 GCDs before you get damage equal to 1 bloodthirst, so you run out of GCDs and then Fury starts pulling ahead. With the devastate change, prot gets better scaling with AP and maxed cooldown usage. I'm working through some of the changes now to figure out how much the effect is. Fury also receives a flurry nerf in comparing the two directly.

Sorry I wasn't more clear.

Yeah, with the Flurry nerf and the Devestate increase you could definately see the two builds being much close in DPS with the same gearing. I didn't notice aggro issues with Devestate by itself, once you start hitting with both weapons, you might see more aggro issues. (unless the additional threat from devestate is only based on the sunder count, though the actual damage increase will cause more aggro too:D)

The change to Glancing could help mitigate the DPS loss from Flurry haste reduction over the Prot build. A Fury warrior tends to see about 50% of his damage coming from white DPS. ie.

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Currently my spreadsheet estimates are:
DPS
65       22% Hit  
107      18% Crit
75       40% Glance @ 65% Avg Dmg
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~285 White DPS (counting Flurry buff)

Say they reduce it to 1% chance per weapon skill difference then, my white DPS would actually goes up ~10DPS with the Flurry nerf. More white damge = more WW and BT so overall DPS would increase.

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2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Mirajj - 04-13-2007, 04:52 AM
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