07-27-2003, 03:59 PM
Hello guys!
Great work on WW mechanics.
I've done some testing, and everthing I've read here seems correct - the 2 "free hits" using 1 weapon every hit, then every hit using the "real delay" of ONE weapon and hitting 2 targets.
I've verified the delay more by the "feel" rather than number of hits per whirl, as hits per whirl also depend on ur move speed, monster size, and other stuff already mentioned. I was just seeing how often WW is hitting - a difference between 4, 6 and 8+ frames is really not hard to notice, though since "6 frames" means u hit 2 twice after every 3*4frames (according to the post on the keep) it's a little harder, but still noticeable.
When dual wielding, there were 2 cases:
1. WW starting in range of an enemy:
#1 (?) weapon hit first free hit (faster than other hits)
Both weapons hitting 2nd free hit (faster than other hits)
Then every hit there were 2 weapons hitting. Weapon speed seems to be based on the weapon which you do NOT use for bash, which again, seems to be fitting what u guys already posted.
2. WW starting FAR away from an enemy:
This is difficult to test, especially if the part of telling if u were far enough, but it seems it works as if u are in the "every 6 frames" mode.
3. WW starting close to enemy, but out of range:
It seems that if u get in range after the 1st hit check, it will take the speed of your bash weapon instead.
1 last thing I had difficulty testing, was if u start hitting monster, then go out of range, then start hitting them again. I know I got it once and the 2nd time I was in range it hit with the non-bash weapon's speed, but I don't really know if that was just random. It did happen more than once, but not enough for me to say it happens always.
Also the "bash" weapon seems to be the first weapon equipped, and appears in the barb's right hand on the play area. Char screen does not seem to matter at all. Didn't test what happens when u join a game thoguh.
So the only thing that looks wrong from your post is that you say the 2nd free hit is only with one weapon, and u never mentioned that if during the 1st free hit there's no1 in WW range, and in the 2nd there is, so the speed will be based on the bash weapon (right hand), probably because it didn't switch weapons in the first free hit.
Then again, I could have misread that part.
Great work on WW mechanics.
I've done some testing, and everthing I've read here seems correct - the 2 "free hits" using 1 weapon every hit, then every hit using the "real delay" of ONE weapon and hitting 2 targets.
I've verified the delay more by the "feel" rather than number of hits per whirl, as hits per whirl also depend on ur move speed, monster size, and other stuff already mentioned. I was just seeing how often WW is hitting - a difference between 4, 6 and 8+ frames is really not hard to notice, though since "6 frames" means u hit 2 twice after every 3*4frames (according to the post on the keep) it's a little harder, but still noticeable.
When dual wielding, there were 2 cases:
1. WW starting in range of an enemy:
#1 (?) weapon hit first free hit (faster than other hits)
Both weapons hitting 2nd free hit (faster than other hits)
Then every hit there were 2 weapons hitting. Weapon speed seems to be based on the weapon which you do NOT use for bash, which again, seems to be fitting what u guys already posted.
2. WW starting FAR away from an enemy:
This is difficult to test, especially if the part of telling if u were far enough, but it seems it works as if u are in the "every 6 frames" mode.
3. WW starting close to enemy, but out of range:
It seems that if u get in range after the 1st hit check, it will take the speed of your bash weapon instead.
1 last thing I had difficulty testing, was if u start hitting monster, then go out of range, then start hitting them again. I know I got it once and the 2nd time I was in range it hit with the non-bash weapon's speed, but I don't really know if that was just random. It did happen more than once, but not enough for me to say it happens always.
Also the "bash" weapon seems to be the first weapon equipped, and appears in the barb's right hand on the play area. Char screen does not seem to matter at all. Didn't test what happens when u join a game thoguh.
So the only thing that looks wrong from your post is that you say the 2nd free hit is only with one weapon, and u never mentioned that if during the 1st free hit there's no1 in WW range, and in the 2nd there is, so the speed will be based on the bash weapon (right hand), probably because it didn't switch weapons in the first free hit.
Then again, I could have misread that part.