05-22-2003, 04:34 AM
Tub:
I think the issue here is that some aspects of Hammerman's formula, by its nature, can be very difficult to test directly in game. It is entirely possible that everything you have observed in testing is in agreement with Hammerman's formula in fact. If I understand you correctly, you are obtaining WIAS-WSM breakpoints by counting how many times you can hit per WW. The inherent problem of this approach is that a unit of WW may have a definitive time span, and some breakpoints may be impossible to test as a result of that. Looking at your data for example, we have...
1): 10 to 12 frame breakpoint for 1hs not observed at -20/-19
2): 8 to 10 frame breakpoint for 2ht not observed at -18/-17
3): 12 to 14 frame breakpoint for 2ht not observed at +5/+6
If your measurements were absolutely correct, and a unit of WW has a definitive time span, it can assume several values without contradicting your data at all. These are 22, 23, 24, 28, 32, 38, 44, and there would be even more possibilities here if you did not test WIAS-WSM values in 1 point intervals. We can safely discard the lower values here by experience, but the higher ones cannot be ignored. Maybe someone can measure the number of frames in a single WW and see if it coincides with any of these values? We can also narrow down the choices here with more extensive testing and by accounting for those breakpoints which can be observed. The chance that there may be a cap on hits per WW (not hits per monster) can further complicate things however.
As far as double attacks while dual wielding in WW is concerned, that should be relatively easy to test by having a Barbarian WW through a dense pack of monsters with life leech on two identical weapons, then repeating that test after removing or replacing one weapon. For speed tests with dual wielding, use two different weapons instead (e.g. War Hammer vs. Phase Blade). It might be helpful to have a Necromancer spam the screen with Bone Wall and ensure maximum contact as well.
I think the issue here is that some aspects of Hammerman's formula, by its nature, can be very difficult to test directly in game. It is entirely possible that everything you have observed in testing is in agreement with Hammerman's formula in fact. If I understand you correctly, you are obtaining WIAS-WSM breakpoints by counting how many times you can hit per WW. The inherent problem of this approach is that a unit of WW may have a definitive time span, and some breakpoints may be impossible to test as a result of that. Looking at your data for example, we have...
1): 10 to 12 frame breakpoint for 1hs not observed at -20/-19
2): 8 to 10 frame breakpoint for 2ht not observed at -18/-17
3): 12 to 14 frame breakpoint for 2ht not observed at +5/+6
If your measurements were absolutely correct, and a unit of WW has a definitive time span, it can assume several values without contradicting your data at all. These are 22, 23, 24, 28, 32, 38, 44, and there would be even more possibilities here if you did not test WIAS-WSM values in 1 point intervals. We can safely discard the lower values here by experience, but the higher ones cannot be ignored. Maybe someone can measure the number of frames in a single WW and see if it coincides with any of these values? We can also narrow down the choices here with more extensive testing and by accounting for those breakpoints which can be observed. The chance that there may be a cap on hits per WW (not hits per monster) can further complicate things however.
As far as double attacks while dual wielding in WW is concerned, that should be relatively easy to test by having a Barbarian WW through a dense pack of monsters with life leech on two identical weapons, then repeating that test after removing or replacing one weapon. For speed tests with dual wielding, use two different weapons instead (e.g. War Hammer vs. Phase Blade). It might be helpful to have a Necromancer spam the screen with Bone Wall and ensure maximum contact as well.