Razorgore Thoughts

[Kevin]

True - Theorycraft states that the mobs going for the other warrior shouldn't have swung at you.  But it's very hard to figure out what's going on with 80+ PCs and NPCs in this small room sometimes.

One time I was trying being an OOC resser, and standing by the orb controller.  A train of orcs ran by me and, for no reason I could see, put me into combat.  Why?  I have no idea to this day.  I didn't see any cleaves, and I didn't take damage.
Agreed and agreed.  It was Genkar who popped the idea in WhackAMole yesterday - why don't we have every tank in the raid go kite?  Forgive my ignorance of Druids: can they Hibernate while in bear form?  If so, we could potentially have 8-10 kiting tanks, right?

As mentioned you can't hibernate while a bear. So a bear becomes a warrior with demoralizing roar (dem shout) and a once every 3 minute 200 HP/s self heal, and if they are spec'd for it, feral fire (OK it's Faerie Fire (Feral) but saying Feral Fire makes it obvious which you are talking about) to get aggro with. They don't have shield wall or a once every ten minute fear, or Last Stand (if they are spec'd for it)

It comes down to this, really: who do we want to be our sacrificial lambs?  Who's going to take the hit in phase 1?

Under the current system, it's our Priests who get creamed.  Note: I don't mind this at all, if it's my job to die for the cause then so be it - all I care about is winning for the raid.

No disagreement. We have too much random chance in our current system. When the other side zergs you (PvP or PvE) you'll probably lose a few healers. That is what we are doing in this encounter dealing with a zerg. :)

If we engage a lot more kiters, then we'll have fewer Priest deaths, but likely more tank deaths (Druids and Warriors).  But let's consider a ratio: say we try this and it leads to one Warrior and two Druids dying in phase 1.  Wouldn't that be a good tradeoff compared to what happened last night - a whopping seven Priests on our last run, and all seven dying less than 2 minutes in?

I don't know.  If kiters start dying, the mobs they were kiting are going to go to one place - the healers.  So the end result may wind up being the same, unless that healer really starts booking it.  I know that once I see 5+ mobs coming for me, I simply stop healing (except for myself) and start kiting.  Sure, I could fade, but that means they'd just go and plaster some other Priest instead.  I can help the raid more by turning into a kiter.

I like the idea of more kiters too. Now that other discussions showed that my observerations were probably wrong about what was hitting me. If nothing else it should give a larger margin of error and keep even more people alive.

Only one catch.  I know when I get aggro, because CTRA tells me so, and it's pretty obvious when the mobs are gunning for me.  So, let's say Cleoboltra runs over to Gnolack screaming "My Gnomish Hero!  Save me!"  Gnolack bravely stands down the evil bad guys, and as we're running along together, manages to get their attention.

How does Cleoboltra know that, though?  How can I know that the mobs have switched over to you?  If I stop to flash heal and "test the waters," I could be taking a nap within a second.  It will be difficult for me to tell that you've peeled away everything chasing me, and so I'll have to keep running with you, limiting myself to renews and shields.  Which I don't mind - perhaps that's what we'll have to do.

Use fade before you heal. You might still not know if a mob is chasing you but you shouldn't have any of them on you for the heal. Throw a couple of heals out, if things come back, pick up with another warrior who should be coming along soon. I don't know if that will work but it seems like a good use of pre fading which is not something I'm a big fan of.


On PW:S. I don't know if I asked for it until it was too late last night or not. It wasn't an real issue until later runs. It is also something that may not be hard to deal with more kiting happening and priests running with them. Any priest with improved PW:S hits the controller on the run as they go by if there isn't one up. This is if you don't want a more "stationary" priest.