12-22-2005, 05:07 AM
(This post was last modified: 12-22-2005, 05:15 AM by Occhidiangela.)
Thecla,Dec 21 2005, 10:34 PM Wrote:Only to comment on a couple of things.Good comment. The Constitutional quote forces a hard examination of how limited the lateral thinking has been in crafting procedures and safeguards that both meet timeliness criterion for the modern age, and traceability/accountability in conjunction with the general citizen versus the citizen/resident who is in bed with the enemy.
FindLaw analyzing the constitutionality of warrantless electronic surveillance.
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I am not intimating that this is easy. It is fraught with difficulty, but that is why those lily livered sunzabitches in Congress are there, to sort that out. And, to demand the President make a better case, or come up with cleaner policy.
One small problem: laziness in sorting this out gives those who wish us harm opportunity to continue to do so, and I refer to enemies both foreign and domestic. Still, in terms of calling the Pres to accounting, better late than never.
Nice link. Thanks, even though I find this opinion by Powell to be an erroneous assumption and personally offensive to me.
This protection was even more needed in ''national security cases'' than in cases of ''ordinary'' crime, the Justice continued, inasmuch as the tendency of government so often is to regard opponents of its policies as a threat and hence to tread in areas protected by the First Amendment as well as by the Fourth. 154 Rejected also was the argument that courts could not appreciate the intricacies of investigations in the area of national security nor preserve the secrecy which is required
The judge knows no more of national security than he does of fornication/ His presumption that the executive will default to tyrrannical behaviour, unethical behaviour, and behaviour injurious to the citizen makes a rule of exception, an assertion I reject from my personal experience of 25 years in the executive's pointy end. The default is not as dire as the esteemed justice infers. Bah. I am done with this topic, because this one will most likely, and probably should, go to the courts since the administration has challenged the letter of the law.
Let the games begin.
Occhi
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In War, the outcome is never final. --Carl von Clausewitz--
Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum
John 11:35 - consider why.
In Memory of Pete