Shouldnt Bush be impeached for spying on US citize
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Occhidiangela,Dec 21 2005, 11:11 AM Wrote:...
Those politically opposed to Pres Bush, for a variety of reasons, continue to let their contempt for his administration blind themselves to the current and future security environment.  For that matter, Bush and Company are wearing blinders of a different sort.  Few of them admit that the so called War on Terrorism is decades old.  The Cold War Light with Iran has been going on since 1979.  The struggle with the various narco terrorists and otherwise motivated terrorists have been a problem since at least 1972.   
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If the war used as reference is the War on Terror, rather than the War in Iraq, or the War in Afghanistan, then your comment on the forever war model hits the bullseye.  The proper course of action is to make a better case for better policy tools to deal with Fourth Generation War, and extranational threats.

I guess that is too much like work for anyone in this Administration, not to mention the whole Congress who have had this issue in front of them since the Clinton administration, and since the 1993 WTC bombing.  If correcting or over riding FISA is such a good idea -- dear Republicans of the House and Senate who attack the President's critics on this matter --  why a lack of support for WJ Clinton and his AG on this matter?
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Replace "politically opposed to Pres Bush" with "politically opposed to the current ruling party". I fault equally the Republicans during the Clinton administration for wagging the dog(or the intern), rather than focus hard on things that really mattered. The republicans during the Clinton administration could have focused on our nations complete lack of security against terrorism, or the deteriorating control that Sanctions was having on Iraq, or the mismanagement of the UN, or containing Islamic fundamentalism, or Middle East peace, or any number of really important issues that might have changed the world for the better.

The problem with US national politics is the complete lack of responsibility that Congress has for carrying out their constitutional mandate. Rather, it has become a battle of bickering political parties, with the constituencies to be damned. Outrage is reserved for attacking what the other party has actually done, but never for what they collectively failed to address.

I'll leave it the the lawyers to hash out whether or not what Bush did was legal, but I see a huge difference between Bush's use of executive authority and the abuse by Nixon which led to FISA. When this was reported by the NY Times, the administration response was to say "Yes we did that, and we have the authority to do it to fight Al Queda and shame on the leaker who just aided the terrorists", contrasted with Nixon's abuse of power to spy on his political enemies and a huge cover up.

I agree with you though, that the better solution would have been to make a fix to FISA, if it was broken such that the NSA had to look for loopholes to do their jobs.
”There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." - Hamlet (1.5.167-8), Hamlet to Horatio.

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