12-20-2005, 08:03 PM
Lissa,Dec 20 2005, 01:29 PM Wrote:Here's the act: Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act
I can't remember where it is in the act, but someone did point out to me that in the act is says that it is illegal to monitor a US citizen without a warrant which is what Bush has done, monitored US Citizens with connections to international terrorism without warrants from the court setup by FISA. Until Bush came along, there has been a warrant issued for each and every use of wire taps against US Citizens (one was retroactively applied, but was still asked for since there was a time sensitive need to get the information). So Bush broke the law involving FISA.
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Apparently not. Apparently, the Clinton administration filed briefs in the mid 1990's (aftermath of the 1993 WTC bombing?) seeking relief from the warrants in the case of contacts with "citizens" by foreign nationals and got it. Don't have enough on that, will need to look into it tomorrow.
And I will ask you how you determine who is a citizen within US borders? By phone records? Do you have any idea how many non citizens live in this country. Well over 10 million. Not all domestic phone calls are necessarily being made by citizens, but rather residents in this country, persons located inside the borders.
Which takes us to the real problem, which is the stovepipes between NSA and the FBI and why they are unable to coordinate so the FBI handles the domestic side.
This is a seam in regulation that is as blatant a strategic vulnerability in the Information WAr as an unprotected flank is on a battlefield.
I am still very uncomfortable about this, as what Pres Bush is asking is
"Trust me, I am looking out for civil liberties." Sorry, but won't buy a used car from that bunch.
That said, I find that our laws and processes are
COMPLETELY UNSAT
for waging Fourth Generation Warfare, which includes Information Warfare. If you've ever heard of William Lind, he's at it again, out ahead of the mainstream.
Fourth Generation Warfare. Worth a look.
Occhi
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In War, the outcome is never final. --Carl von Clausewitz--
Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum
John 11:35 - consider why.
In Memory of Pete