More Ragnaros Thoughts

[Kevin]

I second more stress on this.  A players lack of FR is not just going to effect his survival, but also possibly the survival of those near them.  If you are hit by the Fireball ("By Fire be Purged!") and do not resist, then you can end up taking damage and sending nearby character flying for impact damage and possible lava baths. 

On our best run Saturday, this is what lead to killing Littledude prior to the Sons getting spawned.  There were 4 times I was blown away and it was always from an explosion to my right the sent me flying to the left.  The first time was not too serious, but left me at an uncomfortable level of life, but too little damage to want to burn bandage right away.  The second impact did somewhat more damage and I managed to get about a third of the effect of the bandage off prior to a lava surge interupting it.  The third was about the same as the second for damage but I only got like 2 ticks of bandaging off prior to a lava suge interuption.  I then had to chug a healing pot to even have a risky amount of health to continue with.  Just as I got back into postion, I got hit with the fourth blast effect; only this time it dumped me in a bad spot in the lava.  My choices there were to try to hop out onto land (did not work, too high a ledge in that area) hop out onto the land area with melee DPS (mana user around there=big no-no) or try to swim around to find another spot with lower ledges to hop out at.  I died from the lava swiming after about 6 seconds and getting hung up on some crag in there.  At no point in this was directly damaged by Ragnaros, it was all incidently damage from being flung into the air and taking falling damage or having to take an extended lava bath.  Also note that during the times that I was flung around and having to heal and try to get back into position, that my DPS was effectively ZERO.  Not my lack of FR per se, but the lack of the group overall.

My add into to this though is that we need to take some time on a run and make more players go take some lava dips.  See what you can take with your FR gear on.  See where to try to head if you do get thrown in.  Be more aware of where all the easy egress points out of the lava are so that players can spend a minimal amount of time in it.  Know which route to take to get out and back to position so that you do not risk the melee DPS or MTs when you head back.

But overall I would say we did good.  Get the overall FR up across all the raid and then it will be time to start looking at getting the consumables to use like the Greater Fire Protection potion; till then save the mats till we are really ready for this step.
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This brings up two points. First I agree that more FR is needed. In the case of the tanks though unless we go outside of avarice for crafts of the DI legs and DI gloves it is very very hard to get to the 255 unbuffed level and ideally you want to be even higher than that. I'm working to get to revered with Gnolack and I'm getting some help, potentially even from the avarice bank (still in discussion) getting that much FR still needs more support from the outside. As mentioned Rags can still do 1200+ physical damage without a crit, you can not sacrifice too much armor or stamina for the FR on the MT because of this. I think that Gnolack's 231 unbuffed is currently doing this though because of some of the pieces I wear to get that hight.

Second. I realize that the amount of ranged DPS we bring varies from day to day and spacing is an every run kind of feel but do we know who you were standing near? It could be that you or they could have positioned better to prevent this. This is the kind of thing we need to help each other out on too.

You mention getting to know the egress points, that is big deal because while you are getting back into position you might have no choice but to get in range of someone else and either endanger them with a knockback or endanger yourself with another knockback. Positioning is still in the learning stages but it is very important as well. Spacing out is more important than having a wall behind you.

And yes as you said more FR means more margin for error. I was not there for the last attempt but from what I have heard I do not think we are at the stage of burning consumables just yet. I don't doubt that they will be a help to us in getting that first kill but I'm still of the opinion that holding off on them is probably sill the more prudent choice. I know that i'm still saving up for another libram of resiliance so that when I get my Dark Iron Leggings I can slap that on there, I'm not wishing to stress the monetary funds of myself or others for consumables until we get closer.