12-09-2005, 09:06 AM
(This post was last modified: 12-09-2005, 11:14 AM by MongoJerry.)
Quark,Dec 8 2005, 04:40 PM Wrote:You take this from a PvP perspective and then say Rogues have CC? Hah! No, Rogues who limited their potential for the awesome Assassination/Combat combo (by getting Improved Sap in Subtlety) have CC. Sap unimproved is a risky venture, especially if you're not a group that's well coordinated. Sap unimproved in PvP is just stupid, as it means you'll automatically leaving stealth, and an unstealthed Rogue is a dead rogue.
Yes, sap, especially improved sap, is an excellent cc device. In PvP people get out of combat a lot, so there are many opportunities to use it. Obviously, it helps in flag defence in AB. Also, it's great for flag offence -- sap a solo defender and tag the flag or try the advanced techinique of sapping one defender, blinding another, and then tagging the flag. Another annoying occurance is in WSG when I've seen rogues sap enemy flag carriers as they come down the tunnel -- or even back at the entrance to the flag carrier's base. That gives the rogue's team lots of time to gather to destroy the flag carrier. And, of course, sap's just plain useful at the start of any assault.
Also, slowing poison is an excellent PvP crowd control device -- especially in WSG.
Quote:EVERY class can effectively dispel most crowd control spells. You have a PvP trinket. I have a PvP trinket. Anyone who's spent more than 3 days in BG during a holiday has a PvP trinket.
Eh, sort of, but not really. Each trinket only breaks a certain set of cc and only lets you break cc's on yourself once every five minutes. It's useful, but considering the amount of cc that gets sprayed around, it's not adequate. The classic case is with warriors getting polymorphed, frost novaed, and rooted (entangled roots). The warrior trinket doesn't break polymorph and even if the warrior trinkets out of one root, the warrior will just get rooted again. So if your team's warriors don't have a dispeller with them, you're just asking for all your warriors to be permanently cc'd while the rest of your team's squishies get taken down.
On Tichondrius, we had a major 5v5 tournament with a grand prize of 200g (and honor, glory, and all that). The contest announcement said, "So which team of five will win?" One person quickly replied, "The one with two warriors and two paladins in it." There was broad agreement among both Alliance and Horde players -- so much agreement that they changed the rules to require that only one of any given class was allowed to be on any given team. The Alliance teams still won, but at least the Horde teams got to make some noise in the contest.
If you want to see just how powerful your paladin can be in PvP, team up with a warrior. Just tell your chosen warrior that you're going to follow him or her around and heal and dispell him or her. Then, if you can, find a fellow paladin and tell him or her that you both are going to stay together and heal and dispel each other and that warrior. Then, grab another warrior. If you can, try to make a group like that and play with each other consistently over time. You'll soon find that you can destroy anything in your path with a well functioning group like that.