How Widespread is this Point of View?

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You are mistaken. The cultural differences are huge. While Turks are westernized being in Europe and all, as a country they are a whole lot different from you. Lithuanians might also be different at least at this point, but the difference is that they will fit in eventually, and the Turks won't. Don't kid yourself.
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I don't know if I should be happier with the baltic states who are known to be violently aggresive to any minority group they can find or the Turks.

Most of the "at least moderately intelligent" turks or marocans fit in very well here. They lose there religion in the same way as we in the west also do, so this is not a problem in my opinion.
Letting turkey be part of the EU will not bring more arabs to my country, I will not have to become muslim and will only affect me economically (hopefully).
But turkey in the EU was not the topic of this discussion, so I will stop here.

I have not the idea that we are losing our culture and "favouring" the arab culture in politics. The large arab communities with "rules" which ar almost the same as in their countries of birth, if they are here they will be in the poorest parts of big cities. And if these people will not start behaving according to dutch standards they will never be able to get a reasonable good job or havy any influence in out society. The countryside which preserves most of our culture is still very much as it has always been. I don't mean this in a politically incorrect way, but this is how society is. IF you are in the a train or metro in the big cities you might have the idea that "we are being taken over" by the arabs, but as I said, because they do not integrate they will never be able to be a normal part of society...so they also don't have a (political) voice. The "arabs" I known with higher education, which are studying or have a nice job, never are the oldfashioned type. Those people are exactly like us in the way they think, work and behave.