10-11-2005, 09:51 PM
Did I farking say it was impossible? No. But it's still possible that BoS isn't going to be up on someone.
And anyway BoS is, as I mentioned, not the important buff in Onyxia.
You can be condescending all you farking want. We did something that is not simple for either side and people are being farking pissy about it. I'm tired of it. I also like how you admit Onyxia takes some skill and yet still try to claim we have non when I point out something that can go wrong.
Onyxia as you farking said is not easy mode. We won. We've beaten her several times. We had 2 priests last night. As you said that is enough to do all the healing on fireballs, if you want them to have no mana at the end of stage 2. Or you can just use bandages and hope that she doesn't shoot in the same direction twice in the span of 5 seconds, which she is known to do. So yeah, unlucky things can't happen, ever. Oh yes we do let people that are wearing just blues and greens face her. We don't require people to have certain gear or certain specs and we still win.
She doesn't always land at 40% and if you have killed her you know that. She's been as high as 48% and as low as 29% for us.
Ony has a brand new aggro table when she hits the ground. Since no one should be doing any damage to her other than the MT with a rend and spaming high aggro skills that one blessing will be the only aggro she sees and yes you can lose track of her, and her health if you are running to try and get in range to bless someone. I'm not saying it happens often, and yes it is an easy mistake to spot and fix, but it can happen.
It doesn't matter if you have aggro for .1 second, she is facing you and other people and a breath attack can kill them. But you ignored that. Anyone getting aggro who isn't a tank is a bad thing. And if you faced her lately you will know that she doesn't always like to move to a nice spot. She'll sit there and happily breathe at the main tank from half the cave away. She'll even teleport the MT to her after a bit of doing that.
Oh and as I mentioned we don't have people die in stage one and I don't know the last time that we had a raid of more than 30 people where we've seen a deep breath. Yes we go after Ony with sub optimal groups and we win. Oh wait our first attempt in 1.7 where we had 33 but not a lot of ranged DPS she did deep breath. Haven't seen one since. Keep in mind those uber paladins can't do damage to her at all in the air so that makes deep breath even more likely. Every horde class can hurt her in the air so I'll be all derisive and dismissive of horde who see deep breath because you guys have it easy mode there. No actually I won't be because it's still not easy mode, you still can't go to sleep you still need hunters and warlocks and even druids to put DoT's on her.
I'm not going to take your condescending crap with an alliance has it easier than horde overtone. I'm not going to point out all the things that horde has easier or all the things alliance has easier.
We don't generally use blessing of protection on the mages because good warriors and paladins keep most of the aggro off the mage so a bubble is quite enough. And yeah when you have only 2 priests you expect the paladins to heal as well as bless.
It's not easy mode, quit implying it. If everyone of your Onyxia runs in a group of people that rotates 100 characters through raids so that everyone can see the content go perfectly every time then I'll think about taking pointless abuse from you. But I'm pretty confident that isn't the case. Oh and why don't we run 2 raids with that many? First some are alts, second not everyone wants or can raid every day. Yep some people can only make one raid every other week and we do or damnest to make sure they get in there.
I pointed out some weaknesses to the class after I freely admitted that paladins bring more to the table in most of the current 40 man situations. I'm not going to claim they don't. You still come back act like we don't know what the frell we are doing. Of course I still think that the other blessings, wisdoms especially, are way more powerful than salvation simply because they bring things to the table that good play can't cover for.
So yeah I've seen a new paladin mess up the timings on the blessings. We have new people a lot, we like new people. We like people that can only raid once a week as well as I've said.
I'll say what you want me to say. Paladins and fear ward can make the Onyxia encounter somewhat easier. Are you happy? Of course WotF can make the Onyxia encounter somewhat easier. A main tank that has the blacksmith trinket can make the Onyxia encounter somewhat easier. The Onyxia encounter can be done without all of these things though. What we are pissed off about is all the damn insinuation that we are only succeeding because of this. My biggest horde is only 56 right now, but I plan on seeing Onyxia with him and I plan on winning.
You put this group of people at the control of level 60 horde players and give us a few hours to learn classes we may not know as well and racial skills we aren't as familar with and we'll beat Onyxia with them. I'm sure the group you play with could do the same with alliance.
I should have let it drop but I'm a little pissed off. This board has way way too much horde is better than alliance. Alliance is better than horde. Rogues are too uber. Warriors are too uber. Warlocks have too many problems.
Yeah the thread did start in a fashion that kind of invited it but it's because our group on Stormrage is always on the defensive. Because we are always being belittled. I just don't see the alliance doing that back at the horde players here. I don't see the PvE people really doing it at the PvP people here. But I do see it from the other side.
Play the game have fun. Congratulate others in the community when they do something good. Don't expect to insult people and not have them get pissed off at you.
Oh and yes I got personal in this post. But then again I think you asked for it to get personal. I'm done with that now.
And anyway BoS is, as I mentioned, not the important buff in Onyxia.
You can be condescending all you farking want. We did something that is not simple for either side and people are being farking pissy about it. I'm tired of it. I also like how you admit Onyxia takes some skill and yet still try to claim we have non when I point out something that can go wrong.
Onyxia as you farking said is not easy mode. We won. We've beaten her several times. We had 2 priests last night. As you said that is enough to do all the healing on fireballs, if you want them to have no mana at the end of stage 2. Or you can just use bandages and hope that she doesn't shoot in the same direction twice in the span of 5 seconds, which she is known to do. So yeah, unlucky things can't happen, ever. Oh yes we do let people that are wearing just blues and greens face her. We don't require people to have certain gear or certain specs and we still win.
She doesn't always land at 40% and if you have killed her you know that. She's been as high as 48% and as low as 29% for us.
Ony has a brand new aggro table when she hits the ground. Since no one should be doing any damage to her other than the MT with a rend and spaming high aggro skills that one blessing will be the only aggro she sees and yes you can lose track of her, and her health if you are running to try and get in range to bless someone. I'm not saying it happens often, and yes it is an easy mistake to spot and fix, but it can happen.
It doesn't matter if you have aggro for .1 second, she is facing you and other people and a breath attack can kill them. But you ignored that. Anyone getting aggro who isn't a tank is a bad thing. And if you faced her lately you will know that she doesn't always like to move to a nice spot. She'll sit there and happily breathe at the main tank from half the cave away. She'll even teleport the MT to her after a bit of doing that.
Oh and as I mentioned we don't have people die in stage one and I don't know the last time that we had a raid of more than 30 people where we've seen a deep breath. Yes we go after Ony with sub optimal groups and we win. Oh wait our first attempt in 1.7 where we had 33 but not a lot of ranged DPS she did deep breath. Haven't seen one since. Keep in mind those uber paladins can't do damage to her at all in the air so that makes deep breath even more likely. Every horde class can hurt her in the air so I'll be all derisive and dismissive of horde who see deep breath because you guys have it easy mode there. No actually I won't be because it's still not easy mode, you still can't go to sleep you still need hunters and warlocks and even druids to put DoT's on her.
I'm not going to take your condescending crap with an alliance has it easier than horde overtone. I'm not going to point out all the things that horde has easier or all the things alliance has easier.
We don't generally use blessing of protection on the mages because good warriors and paladins keep most of the aggro off the mage so a bubble is quite enough. And yeah when you have only 2 priests you expect the paladins to heal as well as bless.
It's not easy mode, quit implying it. If everyone of your Onyxia runs in a group of people that rotates 100 characters through raids so that everyone can see the content go perfectly every time then I'll think about taking pointless abuse from you. But I'm pretty confident that isn't the case. Oh and why don't we run 2 raids with that many? First some are alts, second not everyone wants or can raid every day. Yep some people can only make one raid every other week and we do or damnest to make sure they get in there.
I pointed out some weaknesses to the class after I freely admitted that paladins bring more to the table in most of the current 40 man situations. I'm not going to claim they don't. You still come back act like we don't know what the frell we are doing. Of course I still think that the other blessings, wisdoms especially, are way more powerful than salvation simply because they bring things to the table that good play can't cover for.
So yeah I've seen a new paladin mess up the timings on the blessings. We have new people a lot, we like new people. We like people that can only raid once a week as well as I've said.
I'll say what you want me to say. Paladins and fear ward can make the Onyxia encounter somewhat easier. Are you happy? Of course WotF can make the Onyxia encounter somewhat easier. A main tank that has the blacksmith trinket can make the Onyxia encounter somewhat easier. The Onyxia encounter can be done without all of these things though. What we are pissed off about is all the damn insinuation that we are only succeeding because of this. My biggest horde is only 56 right now, but I plan on seeing Onyxia with him and I plan on winning.
You put this group of people at the control of level 60 horde players and give us a few hours to learn classes we may not know as well and racial skills we aren't as familar with and we'll beat Onyxia with them. I'm sure the group you play with could do the same with alliance.
I should have let it drop but I'm a little pissed off. This board has way way too much horde is better than alliance. Alliance is better than horde. Rogues are too uber. Warriors are too uber. Warlocks have too many problems.
Yeah the thread did start in a fashion that kind of invited it but it's because our group on Stormrage is always on the defensive. Because we are always being belittled. I just don't see the alliance doing that back at the horde players here. I don't see the PvE people really doing it at the PvP people here. But I do see it from the other side.
Play the game have fun. Congratulate others in the community when they do something good. Don't expect to insult people and not have them get pissed off at you.
Oh and yes I got personal in this post. But then again I think you asked for it to get personal. I'm done with that now.
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It's all just zeroes and ones and duct tape in the end.
It's all just zeroes and ones and duct tape in the end.