09-28-2005, 07:04 AM
Occhidiangela,Sep 27 2005, 07:18 PM Wrote:Two different points you are commenting on.
1. There is no such thing as a normal society. Each society has its own quirks and nuances. Its own character.
-my mistake, I meant normal western democracy
Occhidiangela,Sep 27 2005, 07:18 PM Wrote:2. The attitude of dependency on government that you propose is uniquely Enlightenment Elitist European in origin, and has a substantial fan base in certain sectors in America. It is the appeal to the citizen to be a victim and a sheep who looks to the paternalistic shepard state. We covered the dynamic of shepard and sheep previously. Got lube? :blink:
No I also mean this for for example the US. You have a justice system, which is supposed to protect it's citizens, not being a tool of the state to get rid of political enemies. (I know this goes wrong once in a while e.g. the "communist hunt" of Mccarthy, or the racist crimes in the south in the 20th century). If you don't have a common idea of what teh state should do to protect her citizens in a fair and equal way, you don't have much basis for being a state.
Occhidiangela,Sep 27 2005, 07:18 PM Wrote:3. I tend to agree with you :D on your last bit, in that prison is not the one size fits all answer to all crimes, particularly misdemeanors. and that increasing the prison population is a negative trend in a civilized society. I'd like to see less folks in jail for being drug users, and more chain gangs and road clean up crews.
Occhi
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There was actually a kind of joke there, I was referring to Bush and Clinton.