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09-21-2005, 04:10 PM

Occhidiangela,Sep 21 2005, 10:24 AM Wrote:I am not asking you to take my position. Do you understand that? So, how about you stop trying to get me to take your position. The points you raise have never moved me before, and they continue not to move me. They are irrelevant.
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Occhi, I am not asking you to take my position. Do you understand that? So how about you stop trying to get me to take your position. The points you raise have never moved me before, and they continue to not move me. They are, however, relevant.

I'm not stupid, Occhi. I know that I'm not going to change anyone's mind regarding such topics as the death penalty on an internet forum. That doesn't mean, however, that I'm unwilling to use this forum as a means of disucussing the issue. How about you? Either you expect to change someone's mind here or you're merely engaging in a discussion - in either case, why do you have a problem with my doing to same?

Occhidiangela,Sep 21 2005, 10:24 AM Wrote:The process is the key, and the process keeps the number low. This is a problem in industrial engineering, not math, and in process control, as well as process improvement.
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What's one way we measure the effectiveness of a process? The obvious (though not the only, or even the best) answer is by the results. Before you can whether a process is good enough, you need to decide on an acceptable worst case scenario. If one is unwilling to accept even a single innocent person being executed, then one must insist on an absolutely foolproof process. Since we can never have an absolutely foolproof process, the only solution is to scrap the process entirely. That's where my opinion on this subject stems from - since the death penalty is so final, so irreversible, I refuse to accept even a statistically insignificant percentage of mistakes. In my opinion, the death penalty is not enough of a deterrant beyond other penalties to warrant taking a single innocent life. I do respect that there are other opinions on this subject, however.

gekko

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