09-19-2005, 03:19 PM
Occhidiangela,Sep 19 2005, 02:19 PM Wrote:Did you remember to trim your fingernails first? :P
OK, you want more. Fine. I have ten minutes to spare for you.
Death penalty as it is now is just fine, and the process by which we determine who should be executed is fine, the process by which we convict anyone of a capital crime could probably use some improvement in terms of allowing more evidence to be submitted so the case is clearer to jurors, or more clearly NOT a clear cut case.
I don't lose sleep if a few dozen people in a year out of 300,000,000 are torched incorrectly. Do the people in car crashes all deserved to die? Not always, but ther are dead anyway. Dead. Dead. Dead. Life's tough, wear a helmet.
Given the appeal process, if the last appeals can't show error, we have met the good enough standard. You don't see all the cases that aren't challenged or later shown to have been imperfect, you choose to see and get all melodramatic, and engage in the moaning and groaning and crying and gnashing of teeth over the cases where something went amiss. Go figure, humans cannot administer perfect justice, so,it appears that, according to Saint Eppie, we shouldn't administer justice at all. Remember to trim those nails.
We don't pay for, and can't afford, zero defects government, nor a zero defects justice system. That does not mean we should not exterminate pests for fear of occasionally poisoning the cat.
Occhi
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I expected more from you...much more..... First you agree that there is much to improve in the way people get sentenced to punishment, and now "it is just fine".
And a few dozen out of 300.000.000 first those are not the ones that stand on trial, and of course if you (or somebody you know) are not one of those few dozen it might seem all right. But there is one thing worse than being murdered, that is being murdered by the state (so with public consensus) if you are not guilty.
And don't saint eppie me, I'm not just some softy that wants to hug criminals, but I at least try to nunacate these things. Society does not get better the harder we punish criminals....and it for sure is not cheaper (these guys are often in death row for years). Punishment has two goals....first...punish people for what they have done (closely related is that you want to scare potential criminals of not doing something or else...... (something which does not work, history shows us), and second is to try to make people a better person so that when they get out they can be a normal member of society again. The last thing is something that not always works when you have sever punishments (long jail time), where the criminal is surrounded only by other criminals. Good, if that is the other possibility I can see why you favour the death sentence.
You last alinea: using more and more posion will not get rid of more pests they tend to become resistant, it will cost more cats. So better change the posion.