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[Brista]

It is different in our case. We are a heaviliy PvE oriented guild and also label us as such für recruitment purposes, altough we play on a PvP Server. Since the advent of the Battlegrounds there is little difference between PvE and PvP Servers though, as most PvP action happens inside BG and can be considered to be "consenting". Thereby there is little need to skill for PvP to defend oneself. Achievment at PvP in the BG/Honor System environment seems to be much more time consuming than achievment in the raid circus, as you have to compete against other players and there will be always someone better than you, snatching up the percious very upper ranks.
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I don't quite understand why you say there is little need to skill for PvP to defend oneself

Unless you pvp in very tight packs then Protection Warriors and Holy Priests are at a disadvantage

Are you saying that your players do well in battlegrounds pvp because your organisation is superior to disorganised players with cookie-cutter builds? Or are you simply saying you don't really care how you do in battlegrounds since you're optimising for PvE raiding

With regard to your last point about timescales surely it goes as follows:

Easiest - getting AV factional epics. All you have to do is leech for 3 days /played or so. No skill required (although if you contribute it helps)

Medium - PvE raiding. Some of the team need to know what they're doing or be able to adapt very well. But for most it's simply a matter of following orders, not doing a Leeeeroy and performing basic class functions. Is that unfair? That's what it seems like to me, possibly MC and BWL demand everyone to play out of their skins but that's not the impression I've gained so far

Hardest - epics awarded for rank 14. You have to play pretty much full time. Maybe if the popularity of the game drops off this will become easier but currently there are enough fanatics on each server that you need to play very intensely indeed to hit this rank since you need to out-perform everyone else in a game which largely rewards time spent over any other aspect of playing