09-04-2005, 04:18 PM
I've found my druid to be a pretty even match for a rogue as well. They have to get enough damage on me fast enough so that I can natures swiftness heal myself back up. Since I can get HoT's running on myself easily as well if they stun me to bandage or whatever I'm still healing. Sure I generally have to use my timers to beat them but they will often have to use their timers to beat me and do have plenty of options to get the heck away from them and my druid isn't even a PvP build. Though most of my PvP is dueling experience or defending a horde town on the PvE server.
Rogues are still the most frustrating class to PvP against though because they have the most options to make you lose control of your character and many of them aren't as obvious. I know when I'm feared and can't do anything and usually I know where it came from. When a rogue stuns me though I don't know where it came from and figure I'm going to be helpless again pretty soon, then I need to have the skill (which I don't have much of) to get turned to find them and get them targeted (because you never know what you will get with tab targeting) and try to snare and DoT them to cut down their skill set. Then I have to hope I can get more damage on them than they can on my 1/2 to 3/4 dead self. This is one of the reasons I like the druid, I have 2 instants to prevent restealth I can snare them and I can get my health back up and know that some of their tricks are gone and that if they don't have friends I have a good chance of killing them. But yeah my fights against rogues are generally me dying pretty quick with no damage to the rogue or relatively close battles.
I see that as more the problem with rogues and shaman for that matter. Both of them can front load a lot of damage and both can keep you in a state where you can't do much of anything about it as long as they have their tricks. And yes shaman need mana that they can burn fast to do anything, shocks don't cast as fast as people like and totems take some time to drop and have longer cool downs than people like to think as well. I personally don't see why a hunter should ever lose to a shaman because you can sting away a lot of their mana and the pet harassing them will be an issue for them. But again the frustration in PvP comes from when you become essentially helpless and rogues are very good at, and in fact often have to, do this to you to win.
And to bolty the only reason why I think a rogue is more uber in PvE is because I can pick my battles and have a better chance of running away if I need to, and I still need to. Without engineering though my rogue wouldn't be that much more "easy mode" for me. The class I need to run the least with and worry the least about an add with is still the paladin though. Oh another add? Oh OK let me regen mana while still doing damage here so I can heal myself without being interrupted and yeah it may take some time but with this shield and plate mail on they aren't doing enough damage to me for it to really matter and if it gets bad enough I can stop that for a few seconds and use a bandage or what not. My rogue with unexpected adds my very well have to run away, which he is good at but it's still no fun. But maybe I play the rogue wrong. Sure if nothing goes wrong things die really really fast but if something does go wrong I am in vulnerable and I hate running. :)
Rogues are still the most frustrating class to PvP against though because they have the most options to make you lose control of your character and many of them aren't as obvious. I know when I'm feared and can't do anything and usually I know where it came from. When a rogue stuns me though I don't know where it came from and figure I'm going to be helpless again pretty soon, then I need to have the skill (which I don't have much of) to get turned to find them and get them targeted (because you never know what you will get with tab targeting) and try to snare and DoT them to cut down their skill set. Then I have to hope I can get more damage on them than they can on my 1/2 to 3/4 dead self. This is one of the reasons I like the druid, I have 2 instants to prevent restealth I can snare them and I can get my health back up and know that some of their tricks are gone and that if they don't have friends I have a good chance of killing them. But yeah my fights against rogues are generally me dying pretty quick with no damage to the rogue or relatively close battles.
I see that as more the problem with rogues and shaman for that matter. Both of them can front load a lot of damage and both can keep you in a state where you can't do much of anything about it as long as they have their tricks. And yes shaman need mana that they can burn fast to do anything, shocks don't cast as fast as people like and totems take some time to drop and have longer cool downs than people like to think as well. I personally don't see why a hunter should ever lose to a shaman because you can sting away a lot of their mana and the pet harassing them will be an issue for them. But again the frustration in PvP comes from when you become essentially helpless and rogues are very good at, and in fact often have to, do this to you to win.
And to bolty the only reason why I think a rogue is more uber in PvE is because I can pick my battles and have a better chance of running away if I need to, and I still need to. Without engineering though my rogue wouldn't be that much more "easy mode" for me. The class I need to run the least with and worry the least about an add with is still the paladin though. Oh another add? Oh OK let me regen mana while still doing damage here so I can heal myself without being interrupted and yeah it may take some time but with this shield and plate mail on they aren't doing enough damage to me for it to really matter and if it gets bad enough I can stop that for a few seconds and use a bandage or what not. My rogue with unexpected adds my very well have to run away, which he is good at but it's still no fun. But maybe I play the rogue wrong. Sure if nothing goes wrong things die really really fast but if something does go wrong I am in vulnerable and I hate running. :)
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