Raiding as we go forward

[Kevin]

Imagine loot being awarded by popularity - that is, how much the raid likes you.  Hunter loot drops - vote on which hunter gets it!

You wouldn't like that so much, right?  Unfair, discriminatory, leads to imbalance because some people just get along better than others?

So why is it any better if a council does it?

Not that I specifically object to a loot council; I think for instance that it's just fine if the tranq shot from Lucifron is allocated to a chosen hunter, because that is raid-required loot, but other than that, I think that people fear they will now need to work on cultivating the judges and putting on a good show of cameraderie in order to maximize their loot, rather than just doing their bit in a raid.
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This is why I like the IA system. There are points tracked. But the points never go down. You simply use them as a way to quantify what people have done and then can weigh that against what loot people have arleady gotten so that you insure that loot gets spread around and that the people filling the positions that need the gear most get it. But it isn't just who is most popular. You have tracked that Celethirian has been on more raids than any other hunter and has only won a very minor piece of loot (since we didn't have the council the whole time). Therefore he gets the next piece of loot, if he wants, if he doesn't then you look at the other hunters. Heck if you have 2 hunters that have both been on as many raids and done as much and won the same piece of loot you can just roll to see who wins it.

As much as I hate to say it, until we get deeper in the tanks and rogues need the FR gear more than paladins, druids, mages, warlocks, and hunters if we want to be able to progress. FR will help everyone on Mag but the bosses we are fighting don't really do much in the way of ranged fire attacks. The tanks who are there most need the better gear more than ones who are there less. This means that Anadrol and Darian should get gear before Gnolack as much as I want gear on Gnolack because I may be playing Taranna at times or heck even Balador if we really need the paladins or tal wants to play Shalandrax or whatever.

One of the biggest problems though is that the council members would have to be there every night of the week. You also add another layer of communication to the whole thing. There are big drawbacks too. Some of the personal choice is taken away as well and we simply might not be structured enough to do it. It might be a bigger issue with our fluid group.

Again. I don't have major issues with any of the systems. I just feel that a council addresses the situation we are in a little better than other systems. However a points system is not something I would run away from and there are systems out there that work well. I like points for our sitution better than a list. I almost think I'd rather stick with the way we go now instead of a list though I can't really say why. Just not a big fan of the list.

It looks like there is more opposition to a council for deciding loot than there is to any other system right now as well. If that is the case so be it. We need to figure out what we want to do though so that we can start tweaking that system.