I think as a guild, every guild needs to find it's own stride and pace, and be prepared for the fact that that pace wont suit everyone.
It's unfortunate and it sucks when friends are there. Believe it or not I left friends behind in the Basin, too. I still talk to them every so often, and halfheartedly ask them to come join me. But by the same yardstick that that pace was unsuited to me, my pace may not be suited to them.
Well, quite frankly i'm sorry if this is the impression you've been getting; I don't think it's the case. I think it's simply, as Flyndar has stated above, that it's the conflicting paces of different players. Yes, part of that is for example how quickly the raid, as a whole, masters an encounter and how many times people have to make the same mistake before they stop doing it. It can be frustrating to watch and work with, and it happens at all levels.
As for drama, all I can say (without going into too much detail) is that our recent drama has had more to do with Blizzard introducing a POS buggy frustrating encounter than anything else. A lot of us have been thirsting for the challenge and stuff that makes us really work for progress. What we didn't want is to have our efforts thwarted and set back by constant bugs and stupid, obvious errors in scripts.
Look how smooth MC is now. Try and imagine when it was first released, with crazy amounts of pathing bugs and evading mobs that would regen back to full life and reset for no apparent reason. One day BWL will be that bug free, we'll breeze through it "easy mode" in full tier 2 sets and nobody will remember these days of hardship. Right now we're slogging through an unfinished mess and dealing with bugs out of a hunger for new encounters.
But we'll get there. We'll master it. And when we do I am absolutely sure that our cheers and jubilation at beating Razorgore will be the same as your cheers and jubilation when it all comes together and you down your next named in MC. We're more similar than you think, just running at different RPM's, and I don't know how to fault people who switch lanes to the speed limit that suits them. What hurts a guild is when players continue in denial and either hold themselves back or pretend they can go faster when they really can't make the level of commitment required. It just ruins their gaming experience because they are under constant pressure/stress and it brings down everyone around them.
And yes, we let people play alts. Continuing to "Lurk" is not out of the question, like I said, there's more downtime between raids than you think.
It's unfortunate and it sucks when friends are there. Believe it or not I left friends behind in the Basin, too. I still talk to them every so often, and halfheartedly ask them to come join me. But by the same yardstick that that pace was unsuited to me, my pace may not be suited to them.
Quote:Honestly the message that the Lurkers and CA folks are getting is that we aren't good enough. That we have folks making mistakes that even applicants to IA doesn't make on their tryouts. The implication is that we've been held up to inspection and found wanting. A group of clowns compared to IA's lion tamers. That is some of what folks are responding to here.
Well, quite frankly i'm sorry if this is the impression you've been getting; I don't think it's the case. I think it's simply, as Flyndar has stated above, that it's the conflicting paces of different players. Yes, part of that is for example how quickly the raid, as a whole, masters an encounter and how many times people have to make the same mistake before they stop doing it. It can be frustrating to watch and work with, and it happens at all levels.
As for drama, all I can say (without going into too much detail) is that our recent drama has had more to do with Blizzard introducing a POS buggy frustrating encounter than anything else. A lot of us have been thirsting for the challenge and stuff that makes us really work for progress. What we didn't want is to have our efforts thwarted and set back by constant bugs and stupid, obvious errors in scripts.
Look how smooth MC is now. Try and imagine when it was first released, with crazy amounts of pathing bugs and evading mobs that would regen back to full life and reset for no apparent reason. One day BWL will be that bug free, we'll breeze through it "easy mode" in full tier 2 sets and nobody will remember these days of hardship. Right now we're slogging through an unfinished mess and dealing with bugs out of a hunger for new encounters.
But we'll get there. We'll master it. And when we do I am absolutely sure that our cheers and jubilation at beating Razorgore will be the same as your cheers and jubilation when it all comes together and you down your next named in MC. We're more similar than you think, just running at different RPM's, and I don't know how to fault people who switch lanes to the speed limit that suits them. What hurts a guild is when players continue in denial and either hold themselves back or pretend they can go faster when they really can't make the level of commitment required. It just ruins their gaming experience because they are under constant pressure/stress and it brings down everyone around them.
And yes, we let people play alts. Continuing to "Lurk" is not out of the question, like I said, there's more downtime between raids than you think.