A Study Of N00bs

[Quark]

Rogue: the smart ones will, if caught on a sap (which happens every once in a while) will just die there, be rezzed, and try again.  The dumb ones, will bring all the mobs back to the group  Also, aggro control is learned by the good ones, and never by the bad ones.  They do learn that opening with Ambush means that I will probably go taunt another mob, 'cause that one's their mob till it dies or they do.  The ones smart enough to Vanish don't open with Ambush  :shuriken:

Okay, gotta respond here. I used to think it'd be smart to just die on a failed Improved Sap. Two things prevent this, in reality. First, it can happen too often. One UBRS run we had Improved Sap fail 7 out of 10 attempts. Are you saying it's fair to expect a Rogue to die or Vanish 7 times in two rooms? Second, the rest of the group doesn't listen. There have been plenty of fights where I wanted to die, but couldn't because someone else already engaged.

Now I Sap and if Improved fails, I hit Evasion immediately. I wait about half a second before deciding to bring the group back or not. Most of the time, the players were ready to begin with so we'll start fighting anyway. Extra CC + Tanks will peel targets off me before Evasion wears off, or I die. Either way, the group really isn't hurt that much. Of course, on certain pulls (last Dragonkin + Orc before the General, for instance) I specifically say "don't save me if Improved Sap fails," because IS failing brings too much of a risk of adds.

Now, the Ambush. Ask Darian how often I Ambush. Then ask Darian how often I don't steal aggro from him, and how often if I do it immediately goes right back to him (with Feint). Now I'll admit, sometimes I open up a little bit too early and get destroyed by a Mortal Strike and lucky crits, but unless my Feint misses and I don't realize it quick enough to Vanish, I'm not gonna keep aggro unless I specifically want to. However, there is no way I'd be nearly as usefull if you took my Ambush away from me. There's already other Rogues I play with who use Cheap Shot, and the battle is too quick for Garrote to be of any use - if Garrote could even compare to my Ambush in the first place. Should a Rogue consign himself to Cheap Shotting an already stunned mob? No, if aggro's a problem he should be watching the debuff bar for a Sunder Armor and then start fighting.