How to win in CTF
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MongoJerry,Jun 25 2005, 07:10 AM Wrote:The biggest job of the paladin that I ever saw in any instance group was to sit out of fights and rez the other four people when they suicided attacked mobs.  That is, the other four would attack a boss's minion, knowing that they would wipe but would at least reduce the number of mobs by one for the following fight.  (This was before the armor durability penalty.  Stopping this tactic was in fact why the armor durability penalty was implemented).

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But then, PvP comes along, and then all those stupid paladins suddenly get their automatic "I win" buttons.  Thinking of smaller group PvP like CTF, the Alliance gets this huge advantage that Horde can't compete with.  One needs healing and in particular dispells to function effectively in a group PvP encounter.  But in PvP, there is no aggro control, so suddenly all the best priest defenses in having tanks and being able to reduce their aggro go away.  In a typical CTF fight in the middle, two rogues and a warrior (Mortal Strike to lower healing by 50% and berserker stanced to be immune to fear) will instantly converge on a priest, killing him or her in 5-8 seconds.  This is something that a paladin will never have to deal with.  First, it doesn't happen because people have just learned not to bother even trying to kill paladins, so paladins live to heal and dispell all they want.  And second, if people did try to kill the paladin, paladins wear plate and can therefore take a lot of punishment, and just when he or she is about to die, suddenly they can noob bubble heal to full and waste the time of the other team.  Meanwhile, of course, the Horde's healers and dispellers are dust, because they don't get to cast noob bubbles of their own.
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I'm not gonna rehash old things and pull the scab off everything that's been said here, but i've been thinking over this the last few days and I feel i need to comment on parts of your statements.

First, in your description of why you don't like paladins you hash out every lacking part of the class. I guarantee you that every one of those issues is being complained about, in great detail, by the paladin players on message boards across the internet. I also guarantee you that those same paladin players aren't coming to the realization that they are "nOOb's" because of the faults in their character design. If you don't like the paladin as a class, fine. I can't argue with that, your points are valid, but i don't see blaming the players because they choose to play a class that has inherant disadvantages. You wouldn't tell an inferno sorc in D2 she was a nOOb because she chose to play that character! I know you wouldn't. in fact i'm pretty sure the great majority of talk on these boards would be congratulatory if that were the case.

Second, regarding the "I win button" you say the alliance has in small scale pvp (CTF). I call BS on that. What the paladin offers to CTF is extremely situational, and as far as i'm concerened the situations where the paladin is using his skills like that is far from optimal. The paladin can bubble and heal a flag carrier - YAY!!! But that only works if the person carrying the flag is slow enough that they stay in range of you. Which means you aren't using a druid as your flag carrier. On the other hand lets look at the Horde bonus - They get another character that can shift into travel form while holding the flag and run off. Add to that Ghost Wolf has a built in "Stealth" feature and you have an additional flag carrier that rivals and possibly surpasses the druid. And in a game where the whole point is to retrieve flags having the overt bonus of additional means of getting those flags is a much greater bonus than the covert bonus of having a character that can protect another character carrying the flag in certain situations. Just on a purely game economics level the horde bonus is greater. Thier extra bonus of a flag carrier isn't dependant on anything other than having a shaman in the match. Wheras the Alliance bonus requires that not only there be a paladin but also another competant player to carry the flag as well as good comunication between the two so that the paladin can stay in range of the carrier.
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