How to win in CTF

[MongoJerry]

He he, more flamebait, think you're going to get some sharp replies to that one

I'm not flamebaiting at all. In six months of intense beta playing, that was my experience, and I played with some people who were considered excellent paladin players.

Typical pubbie shaman is enhancement windfury shock searing totem zerg monster. They only look to do damage. Their mana pool is empty 10 seconds into the fight. If my priest is there and I run out of mana I can guarantee the shaman will be empty. Shamans are great for groups that blitz through instances to the last boss then wipe and ask "why didn't you heal me?"

Totally different experience for me, and I'm talking about hundreds of pubbie shaman, since for a long time, that's all I had to work with. I wonder if many people's thoughts here are biased because they're so used to working with the same few good paladins and haven't experienced the normal pubbie paladin very much.

We've had different experiences. I've played with tons of shamans who think their job is up front banging on things, in fact it's an overwhelming majority
I don't know those players in-game but give me a good pally over a bad priest druid or shaman any day

That's the thing. Sure, I'll take a good *player* over a bad *player* anyday. But give me a bad priest over a bad paladin or give me a good priest over a good paladin anyday.

Utter utter bull

Horde win 80% of matches

Besides give me dispels + purges over dispels + dispels if the team is good

Now, you're stretching into bull territory. Alliance has the advantage hands down, but luckily the typical paladin doesn't realize how powerful they can be, so the matches turn out even. The times when I'm fighting against good paladins always swing battles sharply toward the Alliance. Regarding purge, that's a complete joke. What can shamans purge? A priest and mage shield maybe. But you could just as easily "purge" them by causing damage do them. Dispels are far more powerful -- and the more dispellers you have, the less capable the other team is of removing those dispellers from action.

Instead you would rather make knee-jerk generalizations and insult a player class that you as WoW admin should be fostering. Its sickening.

You're taking my comments more personally than they should be, and keep in mind that the discussion started when you asked why I used the term "noob bubble," which is a common WoW euphamism. Instead of passing it off as, "Oh, that's MongoJerry. He plays Horde on a PvP server," you asked me why I called it that. So, I told you. (For that matter, how can an ability that removes all debuffs, lets you survive a barrage of 40+ people unscathed, lets you run unimpeded against all possible stuns and snares, and lets you cast your own spells while your opponent stands there helpless be called anything other than a "noob bubble?") My experience playing intensively with paladins for six months in the beta plus my experience playing against them in retail has led me to have a very low opinion of the average paladin. I may be a WoW admin, but I'm still allowed to hold opinions of my own, and I feel that my opinion on the typical paladin player is based on a large enough sample size to be valid. However, I have recently begun playing Alliance more consistently again, so maybe I will get to experience the joy of playing with a good paladin and form a new opinion of the usefulness and skillfulness of a typical paladin. I'm not holding my breath, though.