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Good.  Now this is at least starting to get somewhere closer to a discussion  :)

Why does nobody have the right to own anybody?  I did not see this in your list of axioms... in fact, if I gave somebody to someone else, then (by your axioms) they are owned by somebody... as long as you don't give them to their parent (whom created them thus violating axiom 2 :P ) ... to be fair however, you didn't say that your list of axioms was complete...

If you don't grasp why nobody has a moral right to own anybody,then I can't explain further.Someone can't be given to someone else since humans are not objects.An object can be owned,a subject can't.
You take your right to own your body as granted ,I guess.Then why asking for what is obvious? There is no logical axiom here, it's just a matter of Morality/Ethics.

As to the second statement, why are Humans subjects instead of objects.  What makes them this way, and where (if anywhere) can a line be drawn?  Apes?  Animals?  Plants and viruses?  In-organic compounds?  It seems that you are implying that subjects can't be owned, yet from what you have provided and my claim that everything is a subject (unless you define subject specifically??) the conclusion would be that nothing can be owned at all.  This does not contradict any of your axioms, but does ~feel~ a bit absurd... comments?
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I thought that it was obvious for everybody that humans are subjects/not objects.

Freedom/free will make them this way.The line is drawn when there is free will.Only humans have this free will.However,even though animals(except Man) don't have free will,they are not objects such as a feather or a stone.They are living beings and as such they deserve respect and their own freedom.