05-18-2005, 01:09 AM
Quote:Ok. Even in creationism man is made from the dust of the earth.This is also right.
Life was created from water,oxygen and dust.
Quote:Premise 2: There are cultural and economic systems (which I don't agree with) where people are viewed as a resource or a commodity which can be owned and traded. In most respects parents "own" their children until they come of age. What about domesticated animals which are viewed as property? We may breed them but in the sense of creation we were just facilitators.Regarding morality,nobody has a right to own anybody.Humans are not objects,they are subjects.Owning someone means that you own this person as an object and thus you deny his freedom.This was the belief of proslavery America.
Concerning children you don't own them as objects.They are just 'yours' as a part of a family and nothing more.
What 'is' should not prevail over what 'should be' otherwise progress is just vain.
Quote:And don't forget: What you create can end up owning youLike what ?
Economically and politically it could be true,but concerning Morality and Ethics,it can't be.
Quote:Premise 3: As stewards of the environment (In the bible man was given the Earth to watch over and care for and in evolutionary terms we evolved into a creature that can, and must, alter the environment around us to survive.) we establish a form of ownership over that environment. The owner of a company is a part of that company but he/she owns it. One of the owner's duties is to be the final voice in the decisions and direction of the company (in most cases).Notice 'Bible'.
Is the Bible an argument ?
Quote:Man does not own nature he is a part of it. Nature is not a quantifiable object that one can own. The individual parts of nature are what we buy, sell, and use.The only justification I can see when Man uses natural ressources is only for basic needs:Food,shelter..humans can use these ressources as long as they don't waste,destroy/kill for fun.
If you make a chair and declare it yours then that is a bit short-sighted in the context of this discussion. That chair is from nature. Say the chair is made of wood. Wood comes from trees and trees are a part of nature. You as a human have the ability to take objects from nature and adapt them to new uses, in this case something to sit on.
The ownership of land... Take a plot of land, occupy it, form a shelter from materials found on it, cultivate/hunt/gather food on it, create an efficient means of travel to interact with your neighbors from it, and, in general, improve and enjoy that plot of land. The land is "yours" because you occupy it, improve it, derive satisfaction from it, maintain it, protect it, and have made it liveable through your own effort and time.