05-13-2005, 04:26 PM
I've said a fair bit in this thread. And I'll sum it up again here.
I honestly don't care what happens to the lurkers guild. I can be a raiding guild, it can be a co-op that does a little of everything (though a "little raiding" could be impossible), it could be a training ground where most people get to 60 and then go do other things they want to do.
What I do care about though are the lurkers. I haven't been personally attacked like some here but even if I had been I don't think it would run me off. There have been other internet communities that I have been a part of that I cared more about where I was thrashed harder than what happened here, but it was worth it to stick around because it was simply individual tempers flaring up. That happens with friends and families. It's happened here in the past, and it is happening again now.
I'm hoping that the offended parties give it some time. I'm thinking Bolty was so harsh because he never can be. Several people have said, yeah your position sucks, but no one has given him quarter. Heck that may be exactly why he was so harsh. Maybe he just wanted to hear responses to him and not to a site admin. I don't know.
I still see all sides in this. I share feelings with Bolty, NSD, Hillary, Quark, Tal, Sabra, Sword of Doom, heck everyone who has posted in this thread and probably people who haven't. I also have my own unique feelings.
Today I feel like trying to help moderate and mitigate. I'm glad everyone has said what they have said. I don't pretend that people weren't hurt. I also realize that for some the damage may never be undoable. I would still hope, simply because I care about and enjoy lukers, that everyone give it some time, like tal said.
In my book you're all still Lurkers in the guild or not. In my book if you want to leave the guild and raid for 3 months and come back to the guild, great. Heck we could probably learn a lot from a person who did that. I hope that we figure out a way to have casual raiding and that we can get good enough to get through the content. I want to do that with fellow lurkers. And if for some reason Bolty wants to ban me from the site and tal wants to kick me from the guild and then 3 months later let me back in, I think I would take it if the majority of the people who are here now are still here. But I'm full of weird optimism today so maybe this is the only time I believe I could take a kick in the teeth and still come out smiling. Maybe it's just a side effect of things that are going on in my life right now that some of you know about. Don't care I'm using it as best as I can right now.
I said earlier I'm not sure the guild or the site can survive without a clearer direction. That is wrong. The site will survive. I don't know if it will thrive or be what people want or hope for it to be though.
Anyway, I'll keep being me. I'll keep hoping that if some lurkers are still mad at each other that at least they will all still be lurkers. :) I'll also hope that people start being more civil in the discussion regardless of why they may not have been at first.
I honestly don't care what happens to the lurkers guild. I can be a raiding guild, it can be a co-op that does a little of everything (though a "little raiding" could be impossible), it could be a training ground where most people get to 60 and then go do other things they want to do.
What I do care about though are the lurkers. I haven't been personally attacked like some here but even if I had been I don't think it would run me off. There have been other internet communities that I have been a part of that I cared more about where I was thrashed harder than what happened here, but it was worth it to stick around because it was simply individual tempers flaring up. That happens with friends and families. It's happened here in the past, and it is happening again now.
I'm hoping that the offended parties give it some time. I'm thinking Bolty was so harsh because he never can be. Several people have said, yeah your position sucks, but no one has given him quarter. Heck that may be exactly why he was so harsh. Maybe he just wanted to hear responses to him and not to a site admin. I don't know.
I still see all sides in this. I share feelings with Bolty, NSD, Hillary, Quark, Tal, Sabra, Sword of Doom, heck everyone who has posted in this thread and probably people who haven't. I also have my own unique feelings.
Today I feel like trying to help moderate and mitigate. I'm glad everyone has said what they have said. I don't pretend that people weren't hurt. I also realize that for some the damage may never be undoable. I would still hope, simply because I care about and enjoy lukers, that everyone give it some time, like tal said.
In my book you're all still Lurkers in the guild or not. In my book if you want to leave the guild and raid for 3 months and come back to the guild, great. Heck we could probably learn a lot from a person who did that. I hope that we figure out a way to have casual raiding and that we can get good enough to get through the content. I want to do that with fellow lurkers. And if for some reason Bolty wants to ban me from the site and tal wants to kick me from the guild and then 3 months later let me back in, I think I would take it if the majority of the people who are here now are still here. But I'm full of weird optimism today so maybe this is the only time I believe I could take a kick in the teeth and still come out smiling. Maybe it's just a side effect of things that are going on in my life right now that some of you know about. Don't care I'm using it as best as I can right now.
I said earlier I'm not sure the guild or the site can survive without a clearer direction. That is wrong. The site will survive. I don't know if it will thrive or be what people want or hope for it to be though.
Anyway, I'll keep being me. I'll keep hoping that if some lurkers are still mad at each other that at least they will all still be lurkers. :) I'll also hope that people start being more civil in the discussion regardless of why they may not have been at first.
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It's all just zeroes and ones and duct tape in the end.
It's all just zeroes and ones and duct tape in the end.