05-13-2005, 12:13 PM
Hillary,May 13 2005, 12:33 AM Wrote:I'm very disappointed with the whole situation.
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I'm the one making the accusations and complaining, so I'm the one who should be responding here. And keep in mind that while you read this below and get wildly offended by my opinion (and you will, because I'm not being fluffy-nice-nice, hugs and kisses all around, but instead calling it as I see it), this is NOT the opinion of the guild. This is MY opinion. Many don't share it, and some do but won't say it because they don't want conflict. I will not name names.
If you think you're disappointed with the whole situation, you should get a view of my brain on this. By the way, it's not the decision of you specifically leaving, it's the general "now-that-I'm-60-I'm-leaving"ness of a few players lately that brought this to a head for me.
The Lurkers are not a highly regimented, go-go-go don't-play-alts-or-you're-out, you-must-raid-once-a-month-or-you're-out guild. At the same time, we're a group of people who have now become a real force (over 70 accounts) with a ton of level 60 players. Those who got to the top first have been waiting patiently for more to arrive so that end-game content can be seen by all-Lurker parties.
This guild is incredibly fun to be in, and a real treat to be in parties for. The difference between playing pickup groups (of which I've been in many, especially when the guild was smaller) and playing in Lurker parties is immense. So many of us are willing to help out a fellow Lurker in need.
When you get a character to 60 and take off for a "more regimented guild," you are taking a giant whizz on everyone else in the guild. You may say otherwise, but you are basically taking advantage of the hospitality the guild provides.
There is no requirement that one must join a guild to raid with them. You might say that "it's easier" to do this, and that's true, so by all means go the easy route! Screw that guild that you had played in on your way up - now that you're established, you don't need them anymore!
It's especially damning when one says that their level 60 is going to join another guild, but their alts will remain Lurkers. That's even more bloody offensive than if you just quit all your characters, which is what I'D prefer. Sure, the Lurkers are good enough for your non-60's, but not for your "real" characters. My response: go do you-know-what with yourself, because I'm not playing with you anymore.
Our guild is on the brink of serious regular raiding. We've had learning-experience trips to Molten Core and we have a GIGANTIC guild on the same server that we have a ridiculously friendly relationship with, the Basin. All it takes is one person to organize it and take the time, and some regular weekly action could be taking place. Just ONE person to extend the olive branch to the Basin crowd and get things going! So instead of being part of the solution, you quit and run off somewhere else. Never mind the efforts of some Lurkers already to get raids going, working very hard to get things established like the MC run done recently. It's just easier to quit to somewhere else where this is established already instead of helping those you've been playing with for months to get it going here.
There are so many 60's in this guild who've been waiting for more 60's to come up - and now that you've arrived, you're quitting? How do you think that makes some of them feel? My level 60 Priest is waiting for raid action - the only reason I missed the last one is because I was busy that day - and your leaving doesn't exact move that along.
What amazes me is how the people who leave expect that every member of Lurkers is just going to be completely okay with that, hugs and kisses, sad to see you go, etc. Well, I'm not. You're offended by what I'm saying? Tough. I'm just as offended that when you hit 60 you decide that our group isn't good enough for you. So be it. You can't please everyone in this world, and you're not pleasing me. I'm not just going to sit here and get crapped on by you, that's all. So let's all get in an uproar.
Again, this is MY opinion and does not represent the stance of the guild. With any guild of appropriate size you will find differences of opinion, and it can be impossible to get along with everyone. Quitting a guild because you don't get along with every single member is a silly idea as well. What I'm saying is, don't expect me to be partying with you (or generally acknowledging you) any time soon. I will refrain from sniping people in guild chat in order to keep the peace from now on. I just got sick of the attitude of certain members yesterday and it came to a head.
I now await the cruel punctures of incoming arrows...feel free to tell me "but Bolty, it's not like that" all you like. I know that some of you agree with me to some extent, but may wish to remain silent. That's fine with me, too - it's just that somebody had to say it. And I won't apologize.
-Bolty
Quote:Considering the mods here are generally liberals who seem to have a soft spot for fascism and white supremacy (despite them saying otherwise), me being perma-banned at some point is probably not out of the question.