Warlocks Getting Buffed
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savaughn,May 10 2005, 06:22 PM Wrote:So, do me a favor and stop for a second.  Take a look at this argument.  Fear is an exceedingly powerful PvP tool that I've personally used to kill people in PvP.  Fear+Seduce+DoTs are pretty much a death sentence.  What you are arguing is that situationally, fear is less useful.  True.

That's true for every single escape mechanism in the game.  And Warlocks have more than many classes.

Various people in this thread have made sweeping generalization after generalization about how every class has an escape mechanism except warlocks, and then when shown how warlocks have as good if not better escape mechanisms than most (Mages and Rogues are kings of escape and exceptions to the rule), proceed to quibble how they aren't really escape mechanisms because they don't work all the time.  NO ONE's escape mechanisms work all the time.  My priest LAUGHS at frost nova ever since I built a self-cast dispel magic macro.  I can make far better cases for hunters and warriors and no one has it worse for escape mechanisms than slow slogging paladins.

There are 9 classes in this game.  Two of them have great escape mechanisms.  Warlocks are on par with the rest but a bit more situational.  If someone attacks you, no, the odds are you aren't getting away.  You have to fight them.  If they are higher level or have more numbers, you're probably going to die.  That's the nature of 1:1 PvP in this game by design, even if you don't like it and think everyone should have an infallible "I win" button.
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You don't get it. I don't want an "I win" button, I want, "I'm in over my head and time to boogie", I don't have that. If you think that fear is an adequate escape mechanism, then you have never, ever faced either a quick attack class or a class that can silence either a class of spells or all spells. Consider that most of the Warlock's spells are Shadow AND our so called primary escape spell is Shadow, how hard do you think it is to keep Warlock around until they're dead.

Simply put, and I have yet to see a single person deny it, the various trinkets and various anti-fear items out there make it so unbalanced against Priests and Warlocks in any type of PvP. You continue to beat around the bush going, "well if you have this or you have that, you can be fine," and you never hit the mark. You are unwilling to realize that the escape mechanism given to both Priests and Warlocks has been so totally hosed since live that the two classes are easy pickings in PvP.

Go take a look at Eyonix's post and see how many Warlocks are there going, "great, we've been bait and switched AGAIN!". The Devs just don't get it. They have so totally hosed two classes for escape mechanisms in PvP by the introduction of various items that now players go out of their way to find lone Priests and Warlocks so they can get an easy HK, either as a mob of players or singly. (Ever seen what a Warrior with a high damage two hander does to a cloth user, or for that matter mail or leather user, in less than 5 seconds? How about a Rogue that is able to get use Premeditation, Ambush, drink some tea, Backstab, and finish with an Eviserate? How about a Shaman that between Frost Shock and Earthbind can run done just about anyone? Blizzard made PvP to be Rock - Paper - Scissors, unless you're a Priest or Warlock, in which case, your Rock to your paper, Warrior and Paladin, can absolutely demolish you and you scissor, Rogue, trashes you, and another paper, Mage, beats you most the time too. Do you see the problem here? Come back when you finally do, because the whole model that Blizzard outlayed for PvP is BROKEN!)
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Warlocks Getting Buffed - by Quark - 05-10-2005, 07:46 AM
Warlocks Getting Buffed - by Raven Vale - 05-10-2005, 08:37 AM
Warlocks Getting Buffed - by Raelynn - 05-10-2005, 12:38 PM
Warlocks Getting Buffed - by bonemage - 05-10-2005, 02:46 PM
Warlocks Getting Buffed - by Icebird - 05-10-2005, 03:36 PM
Warlocks Getting Buffed - by Lissa - 05-10-2005, 05:30 PM
Warlocks Getting Buffed - by savaughn - 05-10-2005, 05:55 PM
Warlocks Getting Buffed - by Icebird - 05-10-2005, 06:10 PM
Warlocks Getting Buffed - by Lissa - 05-10-2005, 06:31 PM
Warlocks Getting Buffed - by Darian - 05-10-2005, 06:43 PM
Warlocks Getting Buffed - by vor_lord - 05-10-2005, 07:08 PM
Warlocks Getting Buffed - by Tal - 05-10-2005, 07:13 PM
Warlocks Getting Buffed - by Drasca - 05-10-2005, 07:37 PM
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Warlocks Getting Buffed - by Lissa - 05-11-2005, 12:43 AM
Warlocks Getting Buffed - by MongoJerry - 05-11-2005, 01:08 AM
Warlocks Getting Buffed - by savaughn - 05-11-2005, 01:22 AM
Warlocks Getting Buffed - by Lissa - 05-11-2005, 01:50 AM
Warlocks Getting Buffed - by mjdoom - 05-11-2005, 01:59 AM
Warlocks Getting Buffed - by Drasca - 05-11-2005, 02:13 AM
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Warlocks Getting Buffed - by Raelynn - 05-11-2005, 05:21 AM
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Warlocks Getting Buffed - by MongoJerry - 05-11-2005, 07:03 AM
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