05-03-2005, 12:31 PM
(This post was last modified: 05-03-2005, 01:30 PM by Occhidiangela.)
Quote:2) Conflict, not harmony, appears to be THE natural condition. The evidence is all around you in the physical world.
2) Well, Id charge you of sample bias there, given your occupation... I would say that harmony is the 'natural' condition until there is a shortage of resources, or a 'difference in intended use (e.g. sheep wants to live, but wolf wants a meal). However, I could argue that even this condlict is for harmony (i.e. sheep is protecting self to protect offspring, wolf is 'attacking' sheep to feed offspring). Perhaps my concept of 'harmony' is just different? Even if we talk about things like wars, there is still harmony amongst conflict, the harmony required for each sides organisation.
whybish. I think I am working from a semi-Hegelian construct here. It is a general observation that life is a continuum and a process of change. Harmony in a macro sense implies a lessening or lack of Conflict, while the Hegelian model of thesis, antithesis, and synthesis (the last being a product of change via conflict) is an ongoing dynamic. Chemical reactions that take place all the time, like photo synthesis, are a physical embodiment of the idea.
I was not asserting War at all, War is a very special, political case of the general concept of Conflict. Trade embargos or price "wars" are a non violent manifestation of Conflict, as are debates. The natural state of change, at least part of which is via Conflict, is tied to my dysfunctional family analogy. Families can have rows that are not War, but are Conflict and Disagreement.
You will note also that there is no recognized "Occhi School of Philosophy" anywhere, and certainly not at the University of Wallamaloo. Crack two! :lol:
Quote:3)Â All current animal species come from a SINGLE specie at the beginning of the world .
Assumption, not fact. It is a theory, unproven, although there is a lot of evidence pro, far less convincing evidence (and much rhetoric) con.Â
3) Well, there are some leading theories that even claim that early life on earth started multiple times. Also see S. Kaufmann(sp?) for good origin of life arguements. Evolution is also commonly mistaken to be a slow gradual smooth change, but it usually contains large discontinuities followed by long periods of stability.
Understand the non linear nature of evolution. Have seen a few articles on that, most interesting theories. I have also read a bit considerable of the Creationist school of thought, which to my taste is a bit short on evidence (beyond flood patterns) and long on unanswered questions. Abramelin was stating his case as though it were fact. The fact is that Life Is. :) How It got To Be is still a puzzle to resolve, though I'd suggest many of the pieces are available.
Quote:4) Science shows us that equilibrium, a philosophical cousin to equality, is not a dynamic condition. Life is inherently dynamic.
4) I don't understand what you mean. I was thinking that you meant to say static instead of dynamic in the first sentence... but I would like some clarification (and the source of this assertion )
No, I absolutely did not mean static. If you establish equilibrium, you have a balancing of forces and the process of change in conditions ends: at least temporarily, uou are in a static condition. (Think of a bridge, the picture in my head came from the standard balancing of forces problem in mechanical engineering.) By dynamic I meant in the sense of undergoing a change, which is the opposite of being in equilibrium. (Think also thermodynamics, heat flowing from a higher heat volume into a lower heat volume if the boundary permits flow.) I can see where it might have been unclear. Sorry. Life, as per my above comment, is a process of change; it is dynamic. (OK, for some people, it is virtually static due to their being glued to a couch!)
Source of my assertion? The physical world. Even when I sit still, my lungs exchange oxygen, cells die and are created, and my body undergoes changes of state as it builds up waste, slowly but surely, from the process of oxygenating cells and passing the dead tissue along its various paths to exit. Each day I am a slightly different person than I was the day before, if for no other reason that I learned something new and I aged slightly. (Damn that last bit!)
Occhi
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In War, the outcome is never final. --Carl von Clausewitz--
Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum
John 11:35 - consider why.
In Memory of Pete
In War, the outcome is never final. --Carl von Clausewitz--
Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum
John 11:35 - consider why.
In Memory of Pete