This world is not ours

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Such dizzying logic.  "Throw her into the pond!"    :whistling:

What ? It's obvious for me but not for Mithrandir . He states that animals are aware of ownership of land . It's wrong because they are not even aware of their existence so they don't know what ownership is .

Fact or assertion?  Show your work.  You assertion does not follow, since Rights and Morals are human constructs, not natural occurences.  They have been conceived and created in the mind of man.  You are wandering in the land of circular logic.

About my quote :"We didn't create this Earth, thus we have no moral right."
It is a philosophical deduction .
"we didn't create this Earth" is a fact . " thus ownership of land is not morally right " is a logical deduction .
Saying that Rights and Morality can only be a human construct is philosophically wrong . Kant proved that morality is one universal value which exists above human constructs . For instance "justice " and "freedom" are universal values that exist and can exist regardless of Man .
Kant demonstrated that Nature and Morality are somehow linked and depend on each other . I'll quote him if you 're still not convinced .

As to your family model, you seem to ignore that in a family unit, tribe or clan, someone leads it: a father, a mother, a grandmother, a chieftan, or a council of elders. 

Indeed , if you look at evolution of life , all past and current species are a big family . All current animal species come from a SINGLE specie at the beginning of the world . That means that animal species are brothers , including Man . Thus Man is equal to all animals and not superior . This is especially the belief of native americans that all animal species are brothers . I won't expand on that (that's a lot of work to do it ).

Your either or finale is unsupported.  It is also a false choice.  I will go a step farther and point out to you that in human context, one can indeed own something and belong to it.  Try a King.  He rules/owns the Kingdom, and he belongs to it.

Do you see the trap you set for yourself?  When you anthropomorhpise the non human, you set limits to how far your analogy can go, and you also, when you use little care in crafting your analogy, create castles made of sand.  One wave and they are washed away.
Man belongs to Himself, as a living entity. 
So, Man makes the rules?  Nature makes the rules?  Or do they both make rules within their own limitations, within their own frames of reference? 

False analogy . The king owns it because he has wanted to do so when becoming a king . Man owns Earth because he has wanted to do so and he has done it . Just because you own something doesn't imply that you have the right to own it . That's where lies the difference between your analogy and my assertion . As for belonging to Earth , Man does belong to it because he appeared among other animals on Earth . He has become an element of a whole, which is Nature .

Who put nature in charge?  Nature put itself in charge?  Ok, Man put himself in charge.  Who will win?  (Now there's a question worth pondering.)  How does nature stay in charge if challenged?  Since you are already anthropomorhpsing Nature, how does nature withstand a challenge to authority?  Hopefully by relying on something better than your line of argument.

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Yes, Luke, feel the Force.  (A a cheap shot to go with your low budget philosophy.)

What else is Nature like?  An uncontrolled biology experiment. 

Let me quote this :

Spiritually the American Indian approached life differently than the whites. Where White people were materially motivated by the promise of wealth and personal gain, Native Americans saw their role as one of stewardship of Mother Earth’s wealth for the tribe. To the Indian every tree, rock, and stream was a living being. The Earth was a living breathing entity, with the American Indian as a merely a branch on that great tree supporting all of life.

This is exactly what I think . You may argue that native americans are wrong for believing what they believe . What they believe makes sense .