This world is not ours
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Abramelin,May 1 2005, 05:38 PM Wrote:Man was created among other animals . We are just one kind of animal among other ones . We didn't create this Earth . Thus we have no moral right to own it .
Besides , Man was created by Nature , we come from it . Thus we belong to it , we belong to a kind of family ( that is animal and vegetable kingdom ). You cannot both belong to a family  and own it . Either you own something or you belong to it .

It belongs to itself as a living entity . Nature is like a living being made of an infinity of living beings . It is what we call  "ecosystem" .

Animals don't have free will . They are not aware of their existence , I doubt that they can catch any concept of ownership of land .   They rather obey their will to live . Any animal will fight to stay alive , but not for the ground on which it stands .
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Such dizzying logic. "Throw her into the pond!" :whistling:

Quote:We didn't create this Earth, thus we have no moral right.
Fact or assertion? Show your work. You assertion does not follow, since Rights and Morals are human constructs, not natural occurences. They have been conceived and created in the mind of man. You are wandering in the land of circular logic.

As to your family model, you seem to ignore that in a family unit, tribe or clan, someone leads it: a father, a mother, a grandmother, a chieftan, or a council of elders.

Your either or finale is unsupported. It is also a false choice. I will go a step farther and point out to you that in human context, one can indeed own something and belong to it. Try a King. He rules/owns the Kingdom, and he belongs to it.

Do you see the trap you set for yourself? When you anthropomorhpise the non human, you set limits to how far your analogy can go, and you also, when you use little care in crafting your analogy, create castles made of sand. One wave and they are washed away.

Quote:It belongs to itself as a living entity.
Man belongs to Himself, as a living entity.
So, Man makes the rules? Nature makes the rules? Or do they both make rules within their own limitations, within their own frames of reference?

Who put nature in charge? Nature put itself in charge? Ok, Man put himself in charge. Who will win? (Now there's a question worth pondering.) How does nature stay in charge if challenged? Since you are already anthropomorhpsing Nature, how does nature withstand a challenge to authority? Hopefully by relying on something better than your line of argument.

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Quote:Nature is like a living being made of an infinity of living beings. 
Yes, Luke, feel the Force. (A a cheap shot to go with your low budget philosophy.)

What else is Nature like? An uncontrolled biology experiment.

You have a homework assignment before you post again. Look up the term "territorial" within the context of animal behavior, particularly canines. Then, walk uninvited into the yard of any house that has a Doberman, Rotweiller, or Pit Bull as a watch dog. Even a Cocker Spaniel.

Quote:They rather obey their will to live . Any animal will fight to stay alive , but not for the ground on which it stands

You'll learn a thing or two about animals and the ground, the territory, they will fight for.

Occhi

EDIT/ I asked "Who is will win" which makes no sense whatever.
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