Showing ID & signing in to buy OTC cold medicines?
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SetBuilder,Apr 15 2005, 06:03 PM Wrote:Typical. 'Tis ok though, someone else went to the effort. In this case, I'd say find the facts for yourself, as I've found that even if the website I pull the info from is a .gov website, the information is nearly always accused of being false, so for you to believe the information, you need to find it yourself.

Sorry, but you need to be either prepared to defend statistics you use, or don't use them. The problem with statistics is that one can always find a study that, when you fiddle with the numbers just so, "proves" anything you want. So of course people are skeptical when you simply say you have statistics, but don't show them.

Quote:Good grief! You cannot compare sex with minors to using a drug. A smart person doesn't use meth and then go hang out with a bunch of strangers. They usually keep themselves in a locked house, either with people they know or alone, and as long as left alone, they leave everyone else alone. Furthermore, were you to legalize it, so so many people aren't getting ripped off, so that it's not so dangerous to produce (do to lack of proper equipment),  so that it doesn't require every penny a person has to afford even a small quantity of it, much of the property theft and violence revolving around aquiring it would more than likely vanish.

I would say a smart person doesn't do meth at all. Secondly, my comparison was not between sex with minors and using drugs. It was simply to point out that there are many, many things in society that we have laws against that should be plain common sense.

Quote:What's more, racism is not illegal. Racism defined is simply hating another person because of their race. It is racist acts that are illegal, and again, racist acts usually involve violence or property damage or theft, etc. None of which is involved in drug use. If I were to go use any given drug, all I'm doing is harming my own body. Which is my choice. You don't know me, and if you did, just like everyone else you'd think I was an asshole. Why should you care if I harm myself? Hell, I already smoke tobacco, why not add to the pot? (tobacco is all though)

I apologize for not being more specific about what is illegal regarding racism. You, however, missed the point. I was not in any way tying racism to drug use. Again, I was simply pointing out that we have many laws which you'd think people would be smart enough to follow anyways. They're not.

As for only harming yourself -- see, that's the problem. Drug abusers hurt many people, not only themselves. Because people are not responsible when they use these substances. Because they can't control themselves while high, or even while between highs. In countries with public health care, drug abusers put a strain on the system by forcing other people to pay for their stupidity (this also, btw, applies to smoking, but again, that's another whole argument). The point is that your actions affect more than just yourself. Go figure. That's part of living in a society.

Quote:Second, if you were to come into my home and tell me what to do, and that I can not do things, you'd find yourself at the bottom of a flight of stairs, quite possibly in very, very bad shape, wondering how you got there.
Bottom line is, they can require me to show ID for whatever they want. I don't care. I will register absolutely nothing at a grocery store. They will not log my purchases. There's something called right to privacy. Mine will not be violated in that manner.
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Well, the government already tells you quite a number of things you can and cannot do. That's also part of living in a society.

gekko
"Life is sacred and you are not its steward. You have stewardship over it but you don't own it. You're making a choice to go through this, it's not just happening to you. You're inviting it, and in some ways delighting in it. It's not accidental or coincidental. You're choosing it. You have to realize you've made choices."
-Michael Ventura, "Letters@3AM"
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Showing ID & signing in to buy OTC cold medicines? - by gekko - 04-15-2005, 11:16 PM

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